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Old 04-05-2008, 11:30 AM
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your hate speech is similar to Milosevic's and other nationalists....

it's all part of the Serbian Main Kampf known as Nacertanija....you have been nurtured this way....


I gotta find some speeches of milosevic and his buddies...some of these are still leaders of your country..

The truth is coming out.

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Old 04-05-2008, 11:31 AM
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Ok i will defintely agree with you when you explain to me what do you mean by occupied territory? When exactly did this territory belong to Albanians? I am talking about Kosovo.

What did Serbia lose in 1999?

Serbia broke international law by doing what? If Serbia did break the international law they are punished by taking their territory away?

It is easy understand that 90 % of the population that came to Serbia illegaly wants their part of the pie. Albanians want democracy, all the rights and they off course want to form their country on another country's soil? How is this fair? How is this possible? I can not come to your house to live, work and after two years take one room of Your house and call it mine. Does not make any sense.



As far as TrueAlbo goes. Nothing better to say than laugh? If that is your way to admit the truth than yes I definitely understand.

I don't expect you to agree with me, History speaks for itself.
Nothing was taken away from Serbia as 'Kosovo' i.e Dardania was never Serbia to start with. If you've read Balkan History you'd know that the Serbs are the ones living off of someone else's land. They came to the Balkans during 6th century. The Albanians were there long before The Slavs came.

Just like Belgrade decided to use a historical claim on 'Kosovo' ( i.e Dardania ), Prishtina could have done the same. BUT, to use a historical claim on a land is irrelevant in the time and day we live in.

How much longer are people going to draw parallels between the history and todays reality?


Again, Serbia has no moral rights over Kosova. Serbia, throughout history, it has demonstrated that they are only interested in a Kosova. i.e Dardania, without the Albanians.


As you sow so shall you reap. Over 30 countries have recognized The Republic of Kosova as an sovereign and independent state. There's no turning back. Unless Serbia is willing to risk the stability in the Balkans, and cause more war.
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Background Serbia: Police torture and ill-treatment - Women and girls trafficked for forced prostitution

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ackground Serbia

Serbia’s co-operation with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (Tribunal) improved in the first half of the year under intense international pressure.

The Serbian authorities failed to seek out and arrest suspects indicted by the Tribunal.

However, in December the Tribunal’s Chief Prosecutor reported that co-operation had deteriorated.

In Serbia trials continued of former officials accused of complicity in previous political crimes.

* Police torture and ill-treatment continued.
* Roma were deprived of many basic rights.
* Trafficking of women and girls for forced prostitution remained a serious concern.

War crimes: domestic prosecutions

Of those indicted in connection with the Ov˝ara massacre near Vukovar in Croatia in 1991, 14 were convicted of war crimes by the special War Crimes Panel within the Belgrade District Court in December.

In a case investigated by the Tribunal and transferred to Serbia in 2004, nine men were indicted in August for the detention and torture of at least 174 Bosniak civilians and the murder of at least 15 men at Celopek in BiH, and the deportation to Hungary of 1,822 Bosnian Muslims; three suspects remained at large.

On 14 May, former police officer Goran Veselinovic» was convicted at Kraljevo District Court of war crimes and sentenced to 40 years’ imprisonment for the murder of two Serb and two Albanian civilians in Mitrovica in 1999.

On 17 May, Saša Cvetjan, a member of the “Scorpions”, was again sentenced to 20 years!!!’ imprisonment at Belgrade District court for the killing of 14 Albanian civilians in Podujevo in 1999. The Supreme Court had ordered a retrial in January.

On 23 May, the Montenegro Supreme Court confirmed the conviction and sentence of Nebojša Ranisavljevic» for the abduction of 20 mainly Muslim civilians from a train at ©trpci railway station in February 1993.

However, neither Radovan Karadic» nor Ratko Mladic» had surrendered by the end of the year. In December she reported that co-operation had deteriorated.

‘Disappearances’

Investigations opened in January into the alleged mass cremation of the bodies of ethnic Albanians at the Ma˝katica factory in Surdulica in 1999. The Humanitarian Law Centre alleged that witnesses were intimidated by local police officers.

By November, Serbia had handed over to UNMIK 836 bodies of ethnic Albanians killed in Kosova, who had been transferred to Serbia in refrigerated trucks and buried in mass graves in Batajnica near Belgrade, Petrovo Selo and Bajina Bašta. No indictments had been issued by the end of the year; investigations had opened in 2000. On 25 October, six serving Serbian police officers and three former officers were indicted on suspicion of the murder of 48 ethnic Albanians in Suva Reka in Kosovain March 1999; some of the bodies identified at Batajnica originated from Suva Reka.

Possible extrajudicial executions

Slavoljub ©»eki», Head of the General Criminal Division of the Montenegrin police, was murdered on 30 August. His family alleged official complicity and opened their own investigation.

The trial continued of Damir Mandic», the sole suspect – despite allegations of official complicity – in the murder in May 2004 of Duško Jovanovic», editor-in-chief of the Montenegrin daily Dan.

Army of SERBIA

The Belgrade District Court opened investigations on 14 March into the unresolved deaths of two conscript sentries – Draűen Milovanovic» and Dragan Jakovljevic» – in October 2004 at a Belgrade military complex. Investigations continued with the German Wiesbaden Criminological Institute invited to assist in September, and the US Federal Bureau of Investigations in December.

In October, the period of compulsory military service was reduced from nine to six months; alternative service was cut from 13 to nine months. Amendments to legislation allowing for conscientious objection, introduced in February, breached Council of Europe standards allowing for application for conscientious objector status at any time.

Past political murders

On 29 June, Milorad “Legija” Ulemek-Lukovic» was sentenced to 15 years’ imprisonment for his part in the murder of four people during the attempted murder of current SCG Foreign Minister Vuk Draškovic» in 1999. Former head of Serbian state security Radomir Markovic» was also sentenced to 10 years’ imprisonment, along with eight other security officials. In July Milorad Ulemek-Lukovic» was sentenced to 40 years’ imprisonment for the murder of former Serbian President Ivan Stambolic» in August 2000; Radomir Markovic» was sentenced to 15 years in prison for failing to prevent the murder.

The trial continued of Milorad Ulemek-Lukovic», accused of involvement in the murder in March 2003 of Prime Minister Zoran Đinđic». In April another suspect, Dejan “Bagsy” Milenkovic», was extradited from Greece and in July was given witness-associate status (became a prosecution witness) by the court.

Police torture and ill-treatment

Reports of police torture or ill-treatment apparently fell, but investigations into previous cases remained seriously flawed, and in a number of trials testimony allegedly obtained under torture was admitted in evidence. In May a Ministry of Interior report confirmed six cases of torture during “Operation Sabre” in 2003, although the Ministry was reportedly unable to identify the police officers concerned.

The UN Committee against Torture in both May and November found SERBIA to be in violation of the Convention against Torture in relation to complaints submitted on behalf of two Romani men, Jovica Dimitrov and Danilo Dimitrijevic». In December, Belgrade District Court found the Republic of Serbia in violation of its obligations under the Convention, in connection with the Committee against Torture’s decision of 2001 in the case of Milan Ristic».

Minorities

In May the UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights expressed concern over the lack of anti-discrimination legislation, reported incidents of inter-ethnic violence and widespread discrimination against Roma. They urged SERBIA to take special measures to alleviate poverty among Roma, and ensure that Roma had access to adequate, affordable and secure housing, adequate sanitation and safe drinking water, and affordable primary health care. The Committee also expressed concern at the continuing uncertain residence status of refugees, returnees and internally displaced people, including Roma.

Attacks on Roma individuals and communities were regularly reported but few perpetrators were brought to justice.

Attacks in the Vojvodina region continued, predominantly against the Hungarian minority.

In July, eight men were sentenced to between three and five months’ imprisonment for the burning of the Hadrovic» mosque in Niš in March 2004. The attack was one of several that month targeting minorities in Serbia.

Attacks on human rights defenders

Human rights defenders and non-governmental organizations seeking to challenge impunity for war crimes were subjected to increased threats and attacks. Repeated and apparently systematic intimidation took the form of public threats, apparent “burglaries” and what appeared to be malicious prosecutions, as well as physical attacks. There was increasing concern about the independence of the media. Few perpetrators were brought to justice.

Violence against women

Research conducted in 2003 by the Belgrade Autonomous Women’s Centre, and published by the World Health Organization (WHO) in November, showed that intimate partner violence remained widespread. Some 24 per cent of the 1,456 respondents surveyed had experienced physical or sexual violence, but only four per cent had reported this to the police; some 78 per cent had never sought assistance from any agency.

A Family Law introducing protective measures for victims of domestic violence came into force in July.

SERBIA remained a source, transit and destination country for women and girls trafficked for forced prostitution.
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I don't expect you to agree with me, History speaks for itself.
Nothing was taken away from Serbia as 'Kosovo' i.e Dardania was never Serbia to start with. If you've read Balkan History you'd know that the Serbs are the ones living off of someone else's land. They came to the Balkans during 6th century. The Albanians were there long before The Slavs came.

Just like Belgrade decided to use a historical claim on 'Kosovo' ( i.e Dardania ), Prishtina could have done the same. BUT, to use a historical claim on a land is irrelevant in the time and day we live in.

How much longer are people going to draw parallels between the history and todays reality?


Again, Serbia has no moral rights over Kosova. Serbia, throughout history, it has demonstrated that they are only interested in a Kosova. i.e Dardania, without the Albanians.


As you sow so shall you reap. Over 30 countries have recognized The Republic of Kosova as an sovereign and independent state. There's no turning back. Unless Serbia is willing to risk the stability in the Balkans, and cause more war.
Well, all I asked for is for you to provide evidence for claims you are making. That is all. Especially about the history and your claim that Albanians were 'there' long before Slav's came? What?
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HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH........you should have quoted Pepsi.com...I swear, their blogger is more accurate...
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Since when is a blog considered as a reliable source. That blog is as reliable as B92, and Serbianna.
Have you ever heard of Peter Handke? Please...

Plus, most articles you guys post don't even have a link! Come on.
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Well, all I asked for is for you to provide evidence for claims you are making. That is all. Especially about the history and your claim that Albanians were 'there' long before Slav's came? What?
are you drunk?


the entire world's scholars, the most reverened ones, know and acknowledge one fact: Albanians are the oldest Europeans....

All of them.. a lot of serbian historians too.....a great deal of them as a matter of fact..


Dr. Aleksander STIPCEVIC - serbo-croat

Sir Arthur Evans
- the father of archeology...the man who dedicated all his life onto ancient greek and ancient albanian culture..

Noel Malcolm _ english man

Edith Durham - the best author about all the churches...

Norbert Jokl - an Austrian Jew

Alois Schmous

Franz Baron Nopcsa

There are a dozen Russian ones as well..

Russia has one of the bEst Schools in the world of Albanology in St. Petersburg or perhaps visit the Albanianology Instititute of Moscow...Since you rely on them......Ask Russians they will tell you...your most reliable source..





im going to add at least 100 hundred more
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the entire world's scholars, the most reverened ones, know and acknowledge one fact: Albanians are the oldest Europeans....

All of them.. a lot of serbian historians too.....a great deal of them as a matter of fact..


Dr. Aleksander STIPCEVIC

Where is the link? How do you support this claim? You claim that Albanians are the oldest Europeans? When i present the facts to you are you going to admit that you are a big fat hypocrite?
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Where is the link? How do you support this claim? You claim that Albanians are the oldest Europeans? When i present the facts to you are you going to admit that you are a big fat hypocrite?
Sir Arthur Evans - the father of archeology...the man who dedicated all his life onto ancient greek and ancient albanian culture..

Noel Malcolm _ english man

Edith Durham - the best author about all the churches...

Norbert Jokl - an Austrian Jew

Alois Schmous

Franz Baron Nopcsa

There are a dozen Russian ones as well..

Russia has one of the bEst Schools in the world of Albanology in St. Petersburg or perhaps visit the Albanianology Instititute of Moscow...Since you rely on them......Ask Russians they will tell you...your most reliable source..





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