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Old 04-05-2008, 11:51 AM
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the entire world's scholars, the most reverened ones, know and acknowledge one fact: Albanians are the oldest Europeans....

The entire world scholars. I am just quoting you. So if i find one that claims this is not true you are lying.

The most reverend ones. Is this supposed to add strength to your claim?
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The entire world scholars. I am just quoting you. So if i find one that claims this is not true you are lying.

The most reverend ones. Is this supposed to add strength to your claim?
the world knows it...i don't go to serbian websites to tell the world who i am..i don't scream to tell the world who i am..i dont bother with it...

the world knows it.....i dont have to question it.....there is no need for me..


you are insecure...purely political....


Visit Albanian Institute at St Petersburg, Russia....
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Well, all I asked for is for you to provide evidence for claims you are making. That is all. Especially about the history and your claim that Albanians were 'there' long before Slav's came? What?
Albanian, along with Greek, are the oldest languages in the Balkans. Albanian is an Indo-European language ( same thing can't be said about Serbo-Croatian )

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What's the "oldest language"?
How old is language?
Answer provided by Elizabeth Pyatt, Pennsylvania State University

What's the "oldest language"?
In my opinion, we don't know the answer to this question, although some people will give one anyway. Here are some criteria people use, and reasons why linguists don't think they really work.

Oldest Written Form
Some people base their answer on which language got written down first. If you're counting absolute oldest, probably Sumerian or Egyptian wins because they developed a writing system first (both start appearing in about 3200 BC). If you're counting surviving languages, Chinese is often cited (first written in 1500 BC), but Greek is a possible tie because it was written in Linear B beginning ca. 1500 BC.*

*Data from "Ancient Scripts of the World" (http://www.ancientscripts.com)

But all of this is irrelevant, because writing is not equal to speaking.

In 3200 BC, there were many, many languages spoken besides Sumerian and Egyptian, but they weren't fortunate enough to have a writing system. These languages are just as old. To take one interesting case, the Albanian language (spoken north of Greece) was not written down until about the 15th century AD, yet Ptolemy mentions the people in the first century BC.* The linguistic and archaeological evidence suggests that Albanians were a distinct people for even longer than that. So Albanian has probably existed for several millennia, but has only been written down for 500 years. With a twist of fate, Albanian might be considered very "old" and Greek pretty "new".

Source: http://www.linguistlist.org/ask-ling/oldest.html

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Not long after these barbarian invaders swept through the Balkans, the Slavs appeared. Between the 6th and 8th centuries they settled in Illyrian territories and proceeded to assimilate Illyrian tribes in much of what is now Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Serbia. The tribes of southern Illyria, however--including modern Albania--averted assimilation and preserved their native tongue.
http://pbosnia.kentlaw.edu/resources...ia/albhist.htm


Again, just like Belgrade made a historical claim over 'Kosovo' i.e Dardania ( Dardani - an Illyrian/ Thracian Tribe ), Prishtina could have done the same. BUT, in the time and day we live in, it's more or less irrelevant. How much longer are people going to draw parallels between the history and todays reality?! Seriously


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the world knows it...i don't go to serbian websites to tell the world who i am..i don't scream to tell the world who i am..i dont bother with it...


the world knows it.....i dont have to question it.....there is no need for me..


you are insecure...purely political....


Visit Albanian Institute at St Petersburg, Russia....

I know you don't go to Serbian websites. You only go to Albanian websites.

You just spend two hours proving a point to me and other readers. Isn't your statement a little contraversial?

I know the truth and I am speaking it. I can support my statements, you can't. You are dishonest, which I proved by quoting you.
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Albanian, along with Greek, are the oldest languages in the Balkans. Albanian is an Indo-European language ( same thing can't be said about Serbo-Croatian )






http://pbosnia.kentlaw.edu/resources...ia/albhist.htm


Again, just like Belgrade made a historical claim over 'Kosovo' i.e Dardania ( Dardani - an Illyrian/ Thracian Tribe ), Prishtina could have done the same. BUT, in the time and day we live in, it's more or less irrelevant. How much longer are people going to draw parallels between the history and todays reality?! Seriously


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I do acknowledge the truth and history. Thanks for info.
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Well, all I asked for is for you to provide evidence for claims you are making. That is all. Especially about the history and your claim that Albanians were 'there' long before Slav's came? What?

Albanian, along with Greek, are the oldest languages in the Balkans. Albanian is an Indo-European language ( same thing can't be said about Serbo-Croatian )


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Questions:
What's the "oldest language"?
How old is language?
Answer provided by Elizabeth Pyatt, Pennsylvania State University

What's the "oldest language"?
In my opinion, we don't know the answer to this question, although some people will give one anyway. Here are some criteria people use, and reasons why linguists don't think they really work.

Oldest Written Form
Some people base their answer on which language got written down first. If you're counting absolute oldest, probably Sumerian or Egyptian wins because they developed a writing system first (both start appearing in about 3200 BC). If you're counting surviving languages, Chinese is often cited (first written in 1500 BC), but Greek is a possible tie because it was written in Linear B beginning ca. 1500 BC.*

*Data from "Ancient Scripts of the World" (http://www.ancientscripts.com)

But all of this is irrelevant, because writing is not equal to speaking.

In 3200 BC, there were many, many languages spoken besides Sumerian and Egyptian, but they weren't fortunate enough to have a writing system. These languages are just as old. To take one interesting case, the Albanian language (spoken north of Greece) was not written down until about the 15th century AD, yet Ptolemy mentions the people in the first century BC.* The linguistic and archaeological evidence suggests that Albanians were a distinct people for even longer than that. So Albanian has probably existed for several millennia, but has only been written down for 500 years. With a twist of fate, Albanian might be considered very "old" and Greek pretty "new".

Source: http://www.linguistlist.org/ask-ling/oldest.html



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Not long after these barbarian invaders swept through the Balkans, the Slavs appeared. Between the 6th and 8th centuries they settled in Illyrian territories and proceeded to assimilate Illyrian tribes in much of what is now Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Serbia. The tribes of southern Illyria, however--including modern Albania--averted assimilation and preserved their native tongue.

http://pbosnia.kentlaw.edu/resources...ia/albhist.htm


Again, just like Belgrade made a historical claim over 'Kosovo' i.e Dardania ( Dardani - an Illyrian/ Thracian Tribe ), Prishtina could have done the same. BUT, in the time and day we live in, it's more or less irrelevant. How much longer are people going to draw parallels between the history and todays reality?! Seriously


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I meant to quote the whole thing. Thanks.
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Maybe; if Milosevic had been half the man Ibrahim Rugova was; Serbia wouldn't be where it is today, and the war in Kosova would have been prevented. Rugova even went to see Milosevic in Belgrad on the possibility of a negotiated settlement.
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Serbs would have small army forces on borders with Montenegro,Albania and Macedonia.On Kosovo would be UN forces for start and no other army.
I imagine you'd have quite a bit of your army there shortly. Even pro Serb writers(like the one Drama referenced) admit that trouble would likely brew on reunification. The point being they wouldn't have any way to control their own territory. I would have to be Serbs coming in with guns.

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Not true. I will find some index of my friends who study on Pristina University to post picture .First all in index was wrote on albanian and then on serbian language. Just to see what right they have.Does in USA first wrote on mexican or eng?
Hmmm I was given to understand use of their language in many situations was restricted. In addition there were fireing and loyalty things to sign etc.

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No.Minerals belongs to state Serbia and we use money to develop Kosovo like we did before.
For it was a shining gem of Albanian affluence. I suppose you could have tried, but it seems suspicious.

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You imagine wrong.
Could you find the plan your people pitched to NATO/the UN? I imagine it was not like that. For the above reasons. If you were willing to take just a flag an a line on a map your leaders should have offered it. And it's not like they were from the negotiating table to independence right away. This has seriously brewing for years and been viewed as inevitable for a while. Your diplomats/goverment should have known they needed to make an offer like that to keep Kosovo. I imagine they simply weren't willing to.

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Of course but only if all world admit the truth about albanians criminals before , during and after war.
I don't know what the full range of things your refering to is. But we did put the KLA on the list of terrorist organizations.

Personally I don't think either group is remotely decent in how they've treated the other side. I imagine many, likely including the forum goers here, are willing to co-exist to some degree. But others will be worse.

Who knows maybe if Albanians had the power in 1999 they would have needed to be bombed.

But as it was Yugoslavia had the power and they were using it to oppress and later to ethnically cleans.

The Albanians have shown a willingness to stop when NATO tells them to, which makes me think they'll manage to handle relations well enough. Milsovic was not. You could have avoided much bombing if he had.

Are you talking about NATO war criminals 99.No way NATO is guilty and they have to take responsibility for that mistake.[/quote]

If this is universally held this might be part of why they considered reunification an impossibility.
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I imagine you'd have quite a bit of your army there shortly. Even pro Serb writers(like the one Drama referenced) admit that trouble would likely brew on reunification. The point being they wouldn't have any way to control their own territory. I would have to be Serbs coming in with guns.
The problem with this independence in my opinion is going to be a long term instability in the region. The notion that this move is going to bring the stability to the region could not be further from the truth. This is going to be a huge black eye to the Serbian people all over the world (just look at how many atheletes are wearing shirts "Kosovo is Serbia" )and you will understand that the whole nation is extremely, and I can't emphasize this word enough, mad about the whole Kosovo situation and they feel it was practically stolen from them. Sooner or later the situation is going to arise and there is going to be a conflict on Balkan once again.

Second problem, that I see with this independence, is that Kosovo is now an example for small nations all over the world that want to express themselves differently and would like to form their own country. If you tell me that Kosovo is the exception you will really have to convince me here, which I think will be imspossible. To me that would be like when Bush said recently that the rocket shield or whatever it is that he wants to install in Poland has nothing to do with Russia People might be short sighted but most are not blind and stupid, ya know.
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Maybe; if Milosevic had been half the man Ibrahim Rugova was; Serbia wouldn't be where it is today, and the war in Kosova would have been prevented. Rugova even went to see Milosevic in Belgrad on the possibility of a negotiated settlement.
I agree with you. Milosevic was not even one half the man Rugova was.
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