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Kosovo: Constitution is approved,

The latest: Kosovo's legislature unanimously adopted a constitution on Wednesday, paving the way for local leaders to take over authority from the United Nations administration that has run the territory since the end of the 1998-99 war with Serbia. The constitution takes effect on June 15.

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The Republic of Kosovo is an independent, sovereign, democratic, unique and indivisible state . . . The Republic of Kosovo shall have no territorial claims against, and shall seek no union with, any State or part of any State.""

It also states that "Albanian and Serbian are the official languages of Kosovo".

E.U. role: Kosovo's leaders will remain supervised by a European Union-led mission with veto power.

Protections for minorities: The constitution includes broad protections for Serbs and other minorities. That is a key issue because many of Kosovo's Serbs fear they will not be safe in the newly independent province, which is 90 percent ethnic Albanian.

President Fatmir Sejdiu said the document was an important step in the state-building process and signals Kosovo's commitment to creating a society of equal citizens.

Opposition in Belgrade: Kosovo unilaterally declared independence from Serbia in February. Despite the pledges to protect the Serb minority, Belgrade remains opposed to the territory's independence.

Youngest country: The 120-seat assembly approved the constitution amid thunderous applause.

"We have the privilege to belong to this generation that is approving the highest legal act of the world's youngest country," Sejdiu told the assembly."

Kosovo's status: The United States and many European nations have recognized Kosovo's statehood. Serbia and its ally Russia have opposed it.

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Good start with the Serbs.

Of course you still have to make sure individual Albanians aren't bastards, and you have to make sure that you deal well with their protests and possible attacks (which will still be coming for a while).
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Good start with the Serbs.

Of course you still have to make sure individual Albanians aren't bastards, and you have to make sure that you deal well with their protests and possible attacks (which will still be coming for a while).
When it comes to protests, as long as they are peaceful, it shouldn't be a problem.

If they become violent, then, the ones who are acting as such, should be apprehended and brought before court of law. It's very important to have a strong judicial system with high democratic standards.
I understand that some people would be angry when they will get arrested, but we cannot ignore Law. This law should be respected by all citizens of Kosovo. As long as law does its job, there should be no problem.

Frankly, most serbs are willing to integrate. Ahtisaari plan offers them 10 times better solution than what serbia is trying to do to them. Serbia does not care about serbs, but care about land and their leaders are using Kosovar citizens of serb origin as rags to clean their dirt.
I truly believe and I am confident that Serbs will realize how Kosovar goverment truly cares about them.
All Kosovar citizens will be working into creating an integral society that respects law and adheres to the democratic values.
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Protests? Peaceful? It is a freaking war zone what are you talking about? Serbians living in kosovo (Kosovska Mitrovica) are still in Serbia! Only about 30 (*)(*)(*)(*)ries support you so far and you need 2/3 out of 150 or so. Serbs obviously are not happy. We will se after May 11 what happens. If Nikolic is elected there will be a different story. Otherwise, you might be right ince you guys did get what you wanted. Serbs got nothing.

You are right that Tadic don't care about those people in kosovo. That is why I am saying wait for May 11.
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Good start with the Serbs.

Of course you still have to make sure individual Albanians aren't bastards, and you have to make sure that you deal well with their protests and possible attacks (which will still be coming for a while).
Serbs can see through that. This is only a political move. It does not change anything ata all in the real life. You know that as well as I do.
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Serbs can see through that. This is only a political move. It does not change anything ata all in the real life. You know that as well as I do.

how do you know it? huh? how? There is no chance ..
Do you understand why the conflict happened? Do you understand that the main reason was colonization and ethnic cleansing. Do you know that there is nothing you can claim, because it was never yours. Me and you both know it.
As Kosovo became independent, who went on the street violent, attacking NATO forces, serb suicide bombers trying to blow up Iber river? Huh? Tell me?? Throwing stones, attacking and harassing Albanian villages. Remember even in the north, you talk about, Albanian are majority. All the villages are 100 percent ethnic Albanian. Only Mitrovica remains an isolated problem.

Certainly, Serbia sill believes in its forefathers Maine Kamf, the Final Solution to Exterminate all Albanians. Victimhood is part of your role, I recall it was said by your former president.

Let's be real. Kosovo is sovereign and independent. Even the north is made of majority of Albanians. Serbs are being harassed everyday by the Serbia's government. Pressured to not accept. Serbs understand that Kosovo will become a prosperous country and want to live in there even as independent. It was said numerous times.

Well, I guess, Drama you are a member of SRS, nationalist socialist(means NAZI) party or Kostunica/Tadic aka Le Penn, Fascist de Vici?

How's the recruiting centers for war in Kosovo known as "Ubije siptari (Let's kill Albanians)" is going? Are there a lot of people going for it. Be honest, tell us....Nis, Krusevac, Novi Sad, Belgrade, Banja Luka, and other towns have opened their centers. What's your plan this time?
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how do you know it? huh? how? There is no chance ..
Do you understand why the conflict happened? Do you understand that the main reason was colonization and ethnic cleansing. Do you know that there is nothing you can claim, because it was never yours. Me and you both know it.
As Kosovo became independent, who went on the street violent, attacking NATO forces, serb suicide bombers trying to blow up Iber river? Huh? Tell me?? Throwing stones, attacking and harassing Albanian villages. Remember even in the north, you talk about, Albanian are majority. All the villages are 100 percent ethnic Albanian. Only Mitrovica remains an isolated problem.

Certainly, Serbia sill believes in its forefathers Maine Kamf, the Final Solution to Exterminate all Albanians. Victimhood is part of your role, I recall it was said by your former president.

Let's be real. Kosovo is sovereign and independent. Even the north is made of majority of Albanians. Serbs are being harassed everyday by the Serbia's government. Pressured to not accept. Serbs understand that Kosovo will become a prosperous country and want to live in there even as independent. It was said numerous times.

Well, I guess, Drama you are a member of SRS, nationalist socialist(means NAZI) party or Kostunica/Tadic aka Le Penn, Fascist de Vici?

How's the recruiting centers for war in Kosovo known as "Ubije siptari (Let's kill Albanians)" is going? Are there a lot of people going for it. Be honest, tell us....Nis, Krusevac, Novi Sad, Belgrade, Banja Luka, and other towns have opened their centers. What's your plan this time?
Attacking NATO? Serbs got their land taken away from them. What do you expect them to do? Just sit back and talk? Well, nobody is listening.

I never heard of any Serbian suicide bombers. Ever! This is a lie. To kill yourself, or take your life is against our religion and is strictly forbidden. This is a lie!

Victimhood is part of my religion? Another lie. You guys are proclaming yourself victims. I mean look at the world press it is full of Albanians crying. Not only in Serbia. Look at Macedonia, Greece. It is always everyone against you. Poor, poor Albanians. Never do anything or provoke anybody.

Serbs are not pressured by their government. Another lie. Ask them. Do not ask me. Ask the people they will tell you. They want to be part of Serbia and that is why they are protesting, not me, that is why they are mad, that is why they throw rocks - because they don't want to live under Albanian government under constant pressure and humiliation. Serbians villages and people were killed and attacked, our churches were burned by Albaninas (check youtube), Serbians are not wanted in kosovo. You can't lie to me about this. You know the truth.

SRS is not a NAZI party. It is patriotic party. They want strong Serbia, united Serbia and prosperous Serbia. It is another thing that you don't want that and are willing to go that low and call NAZI everything you dislike.

Ubij Siptari? I only hear about things like these from you. I never heard of such organization and think that you are making it up. Prove me wrong. Support it with articles. Let me read about this. I would never support any part of this kind. Everybody that kills another human being of any race or color is killer and is no different from any oher killer. So again, please stop trying to make me to be something I am not. Stop talking about things you can not support with evidence.

Serbians do not want to live in Kosovo under Albanian rule. It is the same thing you guys wanted and you got your independence. Why not let the people talk and let them decide for themselves whether they want to be part of Serbia or Kosovo? Isn't that what the democracy is all about? The people have a right to say what they want to say? Albanians did that. Why Serbs can't?

And yes I do understand why the conflict happened. It is because of hundred and hundred of years of hate between these two nations. It boiled over. It has been boiling for a long time and both sides are to blame not only one.
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"Isn't that what the democracy is all about? "

Yes, and over 90 % of Kosova's people don't want to be apart of Serbia.
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Attacking NATO? Serbs got their land taken away from them. What do you expect them to do? Just sit back and talk? Well, nobody is listening.
Nothing was taken away from Serbia, as it never was Serbia's to start with.


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Victimhood is part of my religion? Another lie. You guys are proclaming yourself victims. I mean look at the world press it is full of Albanians crying. Not only in Serbia. Look at Macedonia, Greece. It is always everyone against you. Poor, poor Albanians. Never do anything or provoke anybody.
The pot calling the kettle black. Serbia has been involved in 3 wars, and committed the worst crimes in Europe since 1945. Yet it views itself as a "victim".

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Serbs are not pressured by their government. Another lie. Ask them. Do not ask me. Ask the people they will tell you. They want to be part of Serbia and that is why they are protesting, not me, that is why they are mad, that is why they throw rocks - because they don't want to live under Albanian government under constant pressure and humiliation. Serbians villages and people were killed and attacked, our churches were burned by Albaninas (check youtube), Serbians are not wanted in kosovo. You can't lie to me about this. You know the truth.
The truth is, the Serbs have no-one else to blame but themselves and their leaders they chose.

The Kosovar Government didn't ethnic cleans over one million ethnic Albanians, nor did it brutaly kill 10, 000 people, and rape 20, 000 women. Nor did it burn down thousands of houses, hundreds of mosques, and other historical buildings.


What the Albanians did, the Serbs did tenfold.

Just look at Bosnia, 90% of the crimes committed there, were committed by Serbs.
http://www.crimesofwar.org/thebook/bosnia.html

And you talk about Serbian churches being detroyed, well Croats are catholic, yet that didn't stop the Serbs from destrying their churches. That's hypocrisy for ya'.


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SRS is not a NAZI party. It is patriotic party. They want strong Serbia, united Serbia and prosperous Serbia. It is another thing that you don't want that and are willing to go that low and call NAZI everything you dislik
Do you call Vojislav Seselj "patriotic" too!? He's the leader for SRS. There is a fine line between being patriotic and nationalist. SRS is exactly what it is, an ultra-nationalistic party.


Vojislav Seselj is on trial for war crimes. He's not any better than Milosevic. Nor is Kustonica ( just a soft-spoken version of Milosevic ).

It's Serbia whom has shaped their minds.

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Protests? Peaceful? It is a freaking war zone what are you talking about? Serbians living in kosovo (Kosovska Mitrovica) are still in Serbia! Only about 30 (*)(*)(*)(*)ries support you so far and you need 2/3 out of 150 or so. Serbs obviously are not happy. We will se after May 11 what happens. If Nikolic is elected there will be a different story. Otherwise, you might be right ince you guys did get what you wanted. Serbs got nothing.

You are right that Tadic don't care about those people in kosovo. That is why I am saying wait for May 11.
If Nikolic is elected Serbia will lose the chance of regaining the territory forever. With Democratic party leading the government (and having the president at the same time) political power in Serbia will concentrate into one force. I approve Tadic's vision. Serbs are about to play the same game the Albanians have been playing, which seems to be very successful. Create parallel structures, ignore Albanian institutions, and eventually provoke their armed forces to react in order to gain international support. Serbs are oppressed in their own country. That is the situation that has no future.
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