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You do not? I hope when you say 'we' you mean US.
More important to the Serbians is that Russia and China agree with that story. They are much closer to Serbia and are familiar with the history of Balkans. Albanians here just can not admit the truth, naturally. Their whole self procalmation of Kosovo, whole country, history is established on lies. This is according to one of the Albanians famous historians Fatos Lubonja.

girl, fatos lubonja is a bulgar...from albania...
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girl, fatos lubonja is a bulgar...from albania...
I am supposed to believe you on this? :mrgreen

You are special indeed hehe!
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:43 AM
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I am supposed to believe you on this? :mrgreen

You are special indeed hehe!
because i know him.....he is the president of the Bulgarian Society in Albania


nothing changes from the fact...Go to Belgrade's history archives. Most Serbs historians acknowledge that Albanians are descendants of Illyrians.

You serbs are from Urals. Go back to Asia!
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because i know him.....he is the president of the Bulgarian Society in Albania


nothing changes from the fact...Go to Belgrade's history archives. Most Serbs historians acknowledge that Albanians are descendants of Illyrians.

You serbs are from Urals. Go back to Asia!
All you do is fabricate and make up facts. Is anyone here taking you seriously anymore? Are all albanians like you? how many brothers you have?
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girl, fatos lubonja is a bulgar...from albania...
Not to mention that he is not a historian.
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Not to mention that he is not a historian.
When your friend provides links for his articles then I will do the same.
As far as Fatos goes you can find more about him bu doing research online or just doing a wikipedia lookup. He is an Albanian historian! I trust him and his research more than I can ever trust any of you.

Donna, you are still to provide me an evidence that Kosovo was Serbian land just about 60 days ago before kosovars self proclaimed illegal independence. I think you were denying that fact as well.
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Undeniable is the fact that in Albania the toponyms are, say, without exception - Slavic. To what is that owed?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli:


On the territory of today's Albania, as has already been confirmed by the most distinguished world scholars, from whom I have already mentioned some,
first settled the Slavs. In 548 A.D., they enter also in Durrachium. The Albanians come via Transylvania (Romania) and Bulgaria much later, IX-X century. In the meantime, understandably, the Slavs have already named all mountains, valleys, rivers, towns and villages, and built some new ones, giving them their own names.



When the Albanians arrive on the Balkan and todayıs Albania, there is nothing else they can do except to take those toponyms. A large part of Albania is flooded with Serbian and Macedonian toponyms. Just as an example, I wish to mention the towns of Pogradec, Kor?a (Korcha), (Chorovoda), Berat, Bozigrad, Leskovik, Voskopoja, Kuzova, Kelcira, Bels and others.



Already in 1995 at the University of Skopje, it became clear to me that there will not be peace on the Balkan until the Albanian question is clarified. For that reason I switched rom the law faculty to the albanological studies and here, contrary to what was being said and written not only by the Albanian, but also by our, Yugoslavian scholars, contrary to what is being taught not only in the Albanian language schools (in Albania, as well as in Macedonia), but also in the schools of ³south-slavic² languages, I discovered that not only the Albanians are not autochthonous people, but they are also not related in any way to the Pelasgians or the Illyrians. Understandably, not one of the professors in Albanology has said this to me. They continued with the tale that allegedly Albanians are autochthonous Pelasgoillyrian descendants.



I discovered that by chance, studying the Albanian language, which, all agree, is of the type SATEM. According to that global division of languages, researching the Illyrian language I discovered that it is of the type KENTUM. The most elementary logic was saying to me that one SATEM language can not be a direct descendant, not even a kind of derivative of some KENTUM language, without a change of its substrate.



Since the Albanian language does not have any changes in its substrate, that means that the Albanians canıt be, under any circumstance, genealogical descendants of the Illyrians. Later I discovered this, as well, in the works of the world renown professors and scholars...
Paul,
Hirt,
Vaigand,
Tomashek,
Georgiev,
Pushcariu


...and many others, who with numerous scholarly arguments, linguistic and historical, have proven that the Albanians not only do not have anything in common with the Illyrians, not only that they are not autochthonous at any place in the Balkan, but they are not even autochthonous in the territories of modern day Albania.



Vaigand for example has formulated 12 arguments. To all of those I've added another five. Unfortunately, these scientists are not being mentioned in (the study) Albanology, nor in Albania, nor are they mentioned in Yugoslavia, or in Macedonia, because the Albanian professors consciously hide the truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead of (the truth), to their pupils and students they serve up the lies about their autochthony and Illyrian origin.



Via those lies, they poison the whole nation. This is not done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations, thus, hooking them on the ³fishing line² of some invented, wide ethnic territories, to use them as cannon fodder for the interests of some criminalised leaders and the international Capital.



The primary motive that inspired me to oppose the Albanian pseudo science about their Illyrian origin was the truth, the love for the truth, my special inclination towards it, but second and equally as important motive was the fact that, watching the Albanians being breast-fed with chauvinism and racism, are being encouraged to fight their neighbouring peoples (nations), I was hoping that if the truth is explained to them, they will move away from the tales, legends and myths about their autochthony and illyrom, thus ceasing with their inexcusable and baseless hatred towards their neighbours.



Since in the publication ³YLBERI² (comes out since 1993, in Geneva) and especially through my albanological collection THE ILLYRIANS AND THE ALBANIANS I demonstrated in written form my points of view, the Albanian academic Vincent Golleti, in the printed media stated: "The stances of Kaplan Burovich about the albanological problems, especially on the problem of the origin of the Albanians, need to be greeted most warmly, while the studies which he publishes in relation with those problems should be propagated throughout the whole of the scholarly world".



After him followed the Albanian scholar Dr. Adrian Qosi who in the middle of Tirana openly opposed the hypothesis about the Illyrian origin of the Albanians. With me agreed, via the printed media, several other younger scholars of whom I would especially mention Fatos Lubonja, Prof. Adrian Vebiu and others.



I can say that today appear a group of new Albanian scholars who do not agree with the false myths and courageously accept the scientific truth. I am proud that I lead this group and that they took up from me the necessary scholarly courage. Because, believe me, that is not easy at all, as the extreme Albanian nationalists, chauvinists and racists led by Ismail Kadare, through the most severe forms of chicanery and satanising are attempting to silence us at any cost.



They mentioned Dr Adrian Qosi when he stated that the hypothesis for the Illyrian origin of the Albanians is unfounded, added: ³But it is better not to talk about that because they will declare us anti-Albanians². And they did.



SERBS, CROATS OPEN FIRST SCHOOLS IN ALBANIA:



The oldest evidenced text in an Albanian language is "Formula paleximit" (Formula for communion), translated from Latin in 8-11-1462 by the Serb Pavle Angelic, whom the Albanians have albanised with the name Pal Engjylli. The first book in Albanian is ³Meshari² (The Book of Thoughts), a manual for religious sermons, dates from 1555 and is written by the Croatian Ivan Buzuk and published in Montenegro. And, understandably, they albanise him with the name Gjon Buzuku. For your information, the first primer in Albanian, after the proclamation of the Albanian independence is a work of ³Slavs² and Vlachs. Dositej Obradovich is the first in history who opens a school in Albanian language, while it was exactly Serbia, which was the first state to recognise independent Albania.



MACEDONIANS DEVELOP CULTURE IN ALBANIA:



The Macedonians have a significant input in the development of the Albanian culture. For example, one of the oldest publishers in Albania is the Macedonian Petar Budi (1566-1622) who has published three books in Albanian, and also a Macedonian is Jovan Kukuzel, whom the Albanians have claimed as their own and have albanised with the name Jan Kukuzeli, although it is known that when he was born in Drach, XI century, here there still is not even one Albanian. Let me remind you also of Grigor Prlichev (1830-1893) who for some time is a teacher in Tirana and published the wonderful poem ³Skenderbeg². Undeniable is the fact that always at the forefront of all of their positive processes the Albanians had namely non-Albanians.



Dr. Kaplan Resuli
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If that satisfies you, great. What has their support done for Serbia so far?
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