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Old 04-29-2008, 08:28 AM
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You are tricky woman. You keep avoiding questions and changing topics. Clear Hate shines from you.
I am not avoiding anything, I've answered your question...what more do you want?! A Serb telling me how my own people are like? Give me a break.

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Old 04-29-2008, 08:46 AM
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Skenderbeg's mother was of Serb origin. That is undeniable.

Everything else makes him an Albanian, which he certainly was. But he was a fighter against the Turks, which helped alot every single people in the Balkans under Ottoman occupation.

I admire Skenderbeg and his deeds. But I am sad to hear his name being politicized, for in those times - the Slavs and the Albanians coexisted in peace.

In 20th century, they named an SS division of Albanians - Skenderbeg. Which is a total disaster.

Her origin has been disputed many times.

His father was a lord of the Kastriotis family. Gjon Kastrioti[5], descended from an ancient family from Mat, and controlled a principality including Mat, Krujë, Mirditë and Dibër.[6]. Voisava, Skanderbeg's mother, was from the Tribalda family[5], a princess[7] from Polog valley[8].

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It is a curious circumstance that Skanderbeg's mother was a Slav woman, according to some sources a Bulgarian named Voisava, a fact recorded in an anonymous Venetian chronicle: "Huic uxor fuit Voisava, Pologi Domini filia, est autem Pologum oppidum in Macedoniae et Bulgarie confinibus" (the provinces of Upper and Lower Polog ranged over the territory of the Tetovo plain - A.t.)

Gjergj Kastrioti's mother probably had some slav blood in her. Which is understandable at that time, as intermarriage between royal families at that time was common.


In the end it doesn't matter who his father married , as Skenderbeg fought for the ideals of his people and his country.


As far as the SS devision goes, those who joined the division in a way fooled themselves as they thought they would unite the Albanian lands like Gjergj Kastrioti himself once did, in 1444.

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Old 04-30-2008, 10:36 AM
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Her origin has been disputed many times.

His father was a lord of the Kastriotis family. Gjon Kastrioti[5], descended from an ancient family from Mat, and controlled a principality including Mat, Krujė, Mirditė and Dibėr.[6]. Voisava, Skanderbeg's mother, was from the Tribalda family[5], a princess[7] from Polog valley[8].




Gjergj Kastrioti's mother probably had some slav blood in her. Which is understandable at that time, as intermarriage between royal families at that time was common.


In the end it doesn't matter who his father married , as Skenderbeg fought for the ideals of his people and his country.


As far as the SS devision goes, those who joined the division in a way fooled themselves as they thought they would unite the Albanian lands like Gjergj Kastrioti himself once did, in 1444.

ha ha ha.I told you if you read Wikipedia the Tribalada is a old byzantine saying for Serbians’ don’t read Wikipedia to lurne history get my knowledge from history books of big European and Serbian professors.
So you see his mother was from current Macedonia, witch was part of Serbian kingdom. So you see his mother was Serbian. And his father was also from serbo-byzabtine family, because those ares Mat,kurije and diber were in byzantine and Serbian possessions in medieval times.
At the time of his father these territories were in Serbian possessions. Witch means

Just look at the map(if the picture works)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:g..._Srbija200.jpg

If he is from Serbo-Byzantine family how can he be Albanian?
And just to know i said he was "islamised"serb not serb.there is big deference.
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Old 04-30-2008, 10:53 AM
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Her origin has been disputed many times.


As far as the SS devision goes, those who joined the division in a way fooled themselves as they thought they would unite the Albanian lands like Gjergj Kastrioti himself once did, in 1444.
That is a disgusting and fascistic statement. Fuj. people that joined ss division did so for ideals .Phuj!!
The unit was formed in order to do crimes and mass killing so that they could direct the fight of Partisans towards kosovo and not against Germans in central Serbia.
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Skenderbeg's mother was of Serb origin. That is undeniable.

Everything else makes him an Albanian, which he certainly was. But he was a fighter against the Turks, which helped alot every single people in the Balkans under Ottoman occupation.

I admire Skenderbeg and his deeds. But I am sad to hear his name being politicized, for in those times - the Slavs and the Albanians coexisted in peace.

In 20th century, they named an SS division of Albanians - Skenderbeg. Which is a total disaster.
hahahahahahaha...Do you know that 1/3 of albanians are orthodox....*EDIT*

how about we say that Dusan Nemanja's mother was an Albanian, father was vlah, at least admitted by over 10 serbian and over 34 Croatian authors.
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serbs live in mythic history. in the name of this mythic history they seem to excuse their tens of million ethnic cleansing against non-serbs, mass murdering of millions of non-serbs, no doubt in the name of their mythic books penned by the Serbian Academy of Science and Arts. People such as Andric and Cubrilovic, inspired by the Hitler's work Main Kampf, conceived ideas of how to exterminate Albanians.

*EDIT TO REMOVE PERSONAL INSULTS*.

From Serbs raped women everything cycles around history - a fact that serbs still live by mythology, conceived through lies, murder and horrid events against non-serbs.

Serbia has lost 5 wars. Serbia will cease to exist if it continues with this pattern.
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hahahahahahaha...Do you know that 1/3 of albanians are orthodox....you are a joke..mythic..

how about we say that Dusan Nemanja's mother was an Albanian, father was vlah, at least admitted by over 10 serbian and over 34 Croatian authors.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha aha ha aha ha .DUSAN NEMANJA!!! Ha ha ha ha
Who is that guy???
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Why don't you give us a break, huh? All that your posts ever do is just make my beliefs even stronger.

Don't you try to lecture me... You come from a semi-literate people, and there is not even a grain of credibility in your words.

You are pissing against the wind here.
Give him a brake. Dusan Nemanja ha ha ha.And 1/3 of Albanians are orthodox
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Give him a brake. Dusan Nemanja ha ha ha.And 1/3 of Albanians are orthodox
1/3 of serbs are croats, 1/3 are vlahs, the rest are serbinized albanians.

there is no such thing as serb.
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Hello

I think it's important to realise here that no matter how much hatred you guys might have for each other, preventing more conflict is the most important thing for Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Croatia, everywhere around there. The next generation is growing up with hatred for the "enemy"

We should try and ignore personal differences in opinion, nationality, and religion, in order to try and overcome the war and death that took place in the 90s. I am sure you are all perhaps very hurt by past experiences, but remember that the reason the opposite force has equal hatred for you is because they have been through similar experiences.

I hope with all my heart that there is no future war and conflict in the Serbia and Bosnia areas. Is that too much to hope for? Many kids there are growing up today; they have no real lives, just hatred passed down from their parents through violence.

I'm not trying to pretend that I know a lot about the situation there, I probably cannot comprehend why you all feel this resentment towards each other. And sorry for getting involved, just please try to work towards a better future rather than continuing your perhaps rightly hatred for each other. You may be right in your views, but in reality they will not change things except for the worse.

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