Russia pulling a Sudetenland in Georgia

DuH2 · #1 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 05:16 PM

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia said on Tuesday that a Georgian unmanned reconnaissance flight over the Georgian rebel region of Abkhazia had violated United Nations ceasefire agreements.

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Russia's Foreign Ministry said in a statement that the drone had been shot down by separatist forces in Abkhazia -- not a Russian jet as alleged by Tbilisi.

"This flight by the reconnaissance plane ... is a violation of both the Moscow ceasefire and force separation agreement of May 14, 1994, and a corresponding resolution of the United Nations Security Council regarding the mandate of the UN observation mission in Georgia," the ministry said.

The Foreign Ministry said the drone flight took place on Sunday morning but the Georgian Interior Ministry had only informed the United Nations mission about it on Sunday evening.

"Therefore the flight was an unsanctioned military action," the ministry said.

Georgia's allegation on Monday that a Russian jet shot down its drone aggravated tensions between the neighbors which are already at odds over Tbilisi's ambitions to join NATO and Moscow's support for Georgian separatist regions.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili accused Russia of an "act of international aggression" but Russian President Vladimir Putin said Georgia was deliberately fanning tensions in the region by flying reconnaissance flights.

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Moscow has granted the vast majority of the region's residents Russian citizenship, and recently lifted 12-year-old trade sanctions against Abkhazia. Russian officials have warned that Georgia will have to abandon its claims on the regions if it joins NATO.

NATO declined to offer Georgia a road map for membership at a summit earlier this month, but assured pro-Western President Mikhail Saakashvili that his nation will eventually join the alliance.

Georgia's U.N. Ambassador Irakli Alasania said Putin's order on April 16 launching full-scale cooperation and formalizing its relations with Abkhazia motivates the separatists "to completely withdraw" from the negotiation process.

"We witness a new dangerous reality," Alasania said. "The Russian Federation is legitimizing annexation of Abkhazia and ... South Ossetia — integral parts of the internationally recognized territory of Georgia."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080422/...W0tHD2qBt0bBAF

If its allowed to occur..welcome to the 1930's again.

CrusaderRabbit08 · #2 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DuH2

If its allowed to occur..welcome to the 1930's again.

If it's allowed??? It's none of our business. Leave well enough alone.

AmusedToDeath · #3 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08

If it's allowed??? It's none of our business. Leave well enough alone.

It is allowed for world famous invader Uncle Sam to bomb and invade foreign countries and kill thousands, but it's forbidden for Russia to shoot down drones without pilots which violate peace agreements, huh? Come on, don't sound silly.

sunnyside · #4 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 07:17 PM

It wasn't even Russia shooting the thing down. Russia just wants the land for itself it seems.

Out of curiosity is there oil in those regions or anything like that? Or just hunks of earth?

Freaking east Europeans and their not getting along.

DuH2 · #5 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 08:37 PM

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If it's allowed??? It's none of our business. Leave well enough alone.

"How horrible, fantastic it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing. I am myself a man of peace from the depths of my soul."

CrusaderRabbit08 · #6 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 08:57 PM

lunecat · #7 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08

If it's allowed??? It's none of our business. Leave well enough alone.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

Grond · #8 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AmusedToDeath

It is allowed for world famous invader Uncle Sam to bomb and invade foreign countries and kill thousands, but it's forbidden for Russia to shoot down drones without pilots which violate peace agreements, huh? Come on, don't sound silly.

....Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Should they be independent of pro-American Georgia??? I think, they should be. Kosovo is a brilliant example!

CrusaderRabbit08 · #9 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by lunecat

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

And a non-interventionist is one who refuses to feed a crocodile and shoots the bloody thing if it attacks him.

lunecat · #10 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Grond

....Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Should they be independent of pro-American Georgia??? I think, they should be. Kosovo is a brilliant example!

Quite possibly Abkhazia should be an Independent Nation. The UN are urging settlement through diplomatic dialogue.

Your linking of Kosovo and Abkhazia is erroneous

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The Sukhumi massacre took place on September 27, 1993, during the War in Abkhazia and fall of Sukhumi into separatist hands. It was perpetrated against Georgian civilians of Sukhumi, mainly by militia forces of Abkhaz separatists, their North Caucasian and Russian allies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhumi_massacre

You see in Kosovo NATAO forces were deployed to prevent the Russian backed Serbs butchering any more Kosovo civilians, Serbs the larger country previously dominating the smaller Kosovo.

But in Abkhazia the UN are encouraging diplomacy after the Russian backed seperatists butchered the Georgian civilians, Georgia the larger country previously dominating the smaller Abkhazia.

So you see the main difference between Kosovo and Abkhzia now?

Of course the common factor is the Russians backing, encouraging and arming the side that performs the butchering and ethnic cleaning!

Maybe it will be required for NATO to be deployed to the region.
Maybe the Russian Imperialst CIS forces will have to be ejected from Abkhzia.

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