There was a Serbian sympathizer in the NATO HQ who tipped off the Serbs as to the route of the F117s. US planners were so cocky that they put the F117s on repetitive routings, generally a bad thing.

There are conflicting reports of the hardware the Serbs used. An SA-6 is most likely although some reasonably credible sources cite an AA-2 Atoll fired from a Mig 21, which although sounds far fetched isn’t altogether impossible. If you can get the Mig 21 close enough, it stands a good chance. Normally with stealth aircraft you can’t get close enough because you can’t see them (on radar), but the Serbs knew it’s route.

Stealth jet aircraft are vulnerable to IR detection just like any other jet –although measures are taken to REDUCE the IR signature, it cannot be made to zero. They all kick out lots of hot air and IR missiles are harder to detect approaching because they are passive –and the F117 uses passive defensive aids (for obvious reasons) so it relies on ‘seeing’ the missile approaching. Not easy in real world conditions.

the F-117 is now retired. the raptor will take its place. lets see em shoot this one down.........

Your country is young and you don’t understand that.
There is a explanation why is the US world power.


What i said is it is important how you fight and what sacrifice you give. because a defeat and sacrefice can inspire future generations to fight much harder and never to surrender. No country can win all wars. You win and lose.
When stevan sindjelic blow himself and the rest of Serbian soldiers on hill of chegar ,he inspired every generation after to fight for freedom. Serbs lost the first uprising against Turks 1804-1813,but only after two years Serbians won the second uprising 1815.
You see we are small nation, that fought a lot of world empires and hade a lot of conquers. And we kept our pride and nation. Our defeat in kosovo 1389 is bigger than a lot of victories. Because it shows how a man fights for freedom, even if he faces superior enemy(numericly,economy...).

Before Hitler there was Kaiser remember 1914-1918.That defeat did not stop Germans from starting ww2.But what i am saying has nothing to do with this.


Just to remind you we also participated in defeat of Hitler.


The monument for 7000 school boys and professors shot by Germans in retaliation in 1941 Kragujevac.

Failure is its own demonstration. The US has nothing to prove, because it is already on top.


I do not debate that fact. However it is likely we could have defeated Hitler entirely without your help. The reverse is not true.


Thats great folk wisdom, but is not necessarily true in the modern world. Technology overshadows all other variables. The cynicism of the modern age dissolves much of the morale that those sacrifices used to generate.



That same pride is part of the reason the Balkans are so fragmented and chaotic now.

You should shift your self worth to your own accomplishments and/or ideology IMO, rather than that of long dead ancestors. There can be no permanent change until that occurs.

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and we have saying here in the US. what have you done for me lately???? technology changes here over night.

Good joke. Lets wait for Grond and see what he has to say about this overboasting... You seem to forget why Hitler lost
Or you didn't even know that in the first place

It had nothing to do with the actions of Serbia. Or any other Balkan state. I doubt Grond will be able to provide evidence to the contrary.

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why wait for him??? don't you have ALL the answers?????

I don't, but history sure does. And it speaks quite the opposite. As do the analysts.

well by all means. show us the history. we can't wait

Ok. Please post your evidence that Serbia (or one of the other Balkan states) played a pivotal role in defeating Hilter's Germany.

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