My Mum who is 92 yrs old, played are very large part in the defeat of the Germans, she worked in "Bletchley Park"!

See what happens when you jump into middle of conversation. You miss the point. I was talking about the past and what shapes the spirit of the people and nation.US is not in Europe, the continent filed with blood with Townsends of years.



Yes you could, but with how much dead Americans and British? Serbian resistance forced Germans to deploy 8 divisions in Serbia. That is not little but wary much. Considering the size of territory of Serbia ,it is biggest concentration of troops in occupied part of Europe.
Germans implied special rule to stop the Serbian resistance attacks. The famous "hundred for one" rule. Witch means for every dead German hundred Serbians(civilians) will be shot. For every wuded,50 Serbians shot. For every injured 25.The also shot gipsy’s with Serbians. That just shows what treat to Germans Serbia was.


And forget what our grandfathers did for us? What does that have with things that happen now? If you don’t have history it does not mean that we should forget ours.


As you can see there are even women shot by germans


Albanian "balista" killing serbian ortdox priest

You are not some mindless robot programmed by the actions of the past. You control your own future. You can end any feud at any time by simply letting it go.


If it requires revenge or conflict, then yes.

Your grandfathers dont own you. You owe them gratitude, but nothing more. Your decisions outside of that are your own.

I dont really expect you to do this of course. I would expect it from an American, but I know how obsessed you Europeans are with the past. Its possible you will change, but unlikely. Fortunately, this ideological pollution will probably decrease with successive generations (there's no escaping modern technology or the media). We've seen it happen before. So your children and grandchildren are less likely to suffer from this handicap.


Ah, but we DO have a history. Without the US, it is likely that Hilter would have swallowed your nation whole. The attrocities depicted in your pictures would have been a trivial thing by comparison. THAT is the legacy of the United States.

The Son is not responsible for the crimes of the father. You have got to let go of your petty hates if you ever want real change. Your ancestors dont own you.

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cool. was she a code breaker??? that was a very important part of the war. a salute to her. mine is 84. over here she was know as a "Rosie the Riveter". she worked in a war plant right after my dad went to war. she helped build the mitchell B-25 bomber.

but but but i thought we were. my god. where are we then???? this is confusing.

???You confused me. I was talking with lunycat when you interfered. He started to insult Serbs. And i responded with pictures of Serbian sacrifices for freedom. How our grandfathers give there life from our future. How we fought bigger enemy and died without regret for big cause.

What i meant with my statement: It is not so important to win, as it is important to give example to future generations. Take look at Britain, the once big empire. Britain was conquered by Romans,Saxons, Vikings and French. And after defeat Britain’s never resisted foreign conquers but melted with them. They lost their original national identity.

It is foolish and sad for people to live in past. And to let the past slow the progress. absolutely agree with you.


And USSR and Britain.
But if we did not attack germans they would not retaliate and kill so many serbs. We fought to help the allies.
Serbian resistance saved about 500 allied airman shot down over Serbia and bosnia. Most of them Americans.

traumatic pics to say the least. ive seen much worse. are these jews???? if so then Islam claims they are fakes. this never happened.

When the US has a past itself - then the US may be equally obsessed by it?


"If you keep one eye on the past - you are blind in one eye
If you ignore the past - you are blind in both eyes"


I agree with you that keeping fueds ongoing especially religious or ethnic fueds is a pathetic way to carry on.

I mean look at the English and the French, argued over territory and faught many wars against each other for 100's of years - then since 1904 its all entente cordial
UK and America weren't always on friendly terms - but as reasoned people with Democracies in place, enlightened people make agreements and move on.

Here is a list of treaties throughout the ages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_treaties
(some interesting American treaties in the list)

Always good to have a history lesson every now and then

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I've tried to be as clear as possible.


Heh heh..."interfered". You do know you are on a public forum, right?

If you dont want to deal with input from other people, you can always take it to private mail. That way no one can interfere.



The whole point of my response was that you can make yourself immune to insults any time you want.



What is their identity? Is it what their ancestors were, or what they are now?

Again, that was the point of my response. Do not tie your self worth to your ancestors. My ancestors were mostly German...but I am not German. Those people dont define what I am.

Attaching yourself to an ideology rather than your own ancestry can actually be quite liberating. It means you cant take credit for their accomplishments, but it also means you are absolved of their crimes. Which is the way it should be. The Son is not responsible for the crimes of the father.


Probably not. Our youth is part of the reason we are not polluted by the racial and ethnic prejudices that seem to be so common in Europe.

I dont think this has to do with an inherent superiority of Americans. It just has to do with timing. We matured at a time when communications technology was also maturing. I give Europeans the benefit of the doubt that they are capable of more. That they are capable of shedding these prejudices and moving on. I want to see them elevated to our level.

Democracy is a pre-requisite for that of course, but it is not enough. The masses have to want it too. And seeing the Serbians on this forum so far, it doesnt seem like they are really interested in moving on.

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Yes that is a big question.
But what defines a nation if not a national identity? You can not run away from what you are. And you cant let anybody change who you are. You cant let somebody tell you how to live, in what church to go, what language to speak. Do you get my point? You must not become somebody’s slave. That was the point trough history. What would i be and what would my name be today if our grandfathers did not fight and die for freedom?



You have wrong picture about national identity. We all should respect of what our grandfather did. You have a picture of the late 20 century Balkans. where national identity was used for wrong purpose, for killings and ...If you meant that then you are right.

Please. What the US did to Indians and Africans .In 250 years of US history you have destroyed a nation of native Americans. And you were the last country in north hemisphere to abolish slavery. You have abused black people from Africa even after you abolished slavery. It was only in the second half of 20 century when things got bather.
face it you did good and bad things just like we all did.som have more bad then good some opposite.

Today US is not polluted by ethnic prejudices but with racial it is. As in every multi-racial society is.I don’t blame anybody, that is just how life is.