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Old 05-06-2008, 10:46 AM
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traumatic pics to say the least. ive seen much worse. are these jews???? if so then Islam claims they are fakes. this never happened.
They are Serbs shot by Germans. And second is :Albanian soldier killing Serbian orthodox priest.
You havent seen pictures from "Jasenovac" dead camp in ww2.were more then 500000 serbs,jews and gipsys were "bucherd" by croat natioanlists"ustase"
Just for you to know,they did not die by gas but by knife and axe.





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cool. was she a code breaker??? that was a very important part of the war. a salute to her. mine is 84. over here she was know as a "Rosie the Riveter". she worked in a war plant right after my dad went to war. she helped build the mitchell B-25 bomber.



She was a translater there.

Good for your Mum, I hope you look after her, she was part of a unique generation that had a dignity in adversity that sems to be lost now.

If I may be so bold, I presume your father returned?
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Me: What is their identity? Is it what their ancestors were, or what they are now?

Yes that is a big question. But what defines a nation if not a national identity?
National identity is an amalgam of the individual identities of all the citizens that make up that nation.



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You can not run away from what you are.
My ancestors dont define who I am.

And neither do your's...unless you let them.



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And you cant let anybody change who you are. You cant let somebody tell you how to live, in what church to go, what language to speak.
But you are doing exactly that if you cling to old feuds that you had no part in. You cant hate an entire ethnic group for something that some of them might have done to your ancestors a long time ago.



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Do you get my point? You must not become somebody’s slave.
When have I even implied otherwise?


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What would i be and what would my name be today if our grandfathers did not fight and die for freedom?
How far back do you want to go? 1000 years? 100,000?

You persist in the argument that you owe your ancestors something other than gratitude. You don't. You should not base your decisions on what THEY might have wanted.



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You have wrong picture about national identity.
My nation doesn't hold ethnic grudges. To most Americans, such a thing is juvenile and offensive.


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You have a picture of the late 20 century Balkans. where national identity was used for wrong purpose, for killings and ...If you meant that then you are right.
There is no "right" purpose. You should form your own identity separate from your ancestors. Tying your self-worth to your ancestors is always a bad idea, even if it appears benign in the short term.



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Me: Probably not. Our youth is part of the reason we are not polluted by the racial and ethnic prejudices that seem to be so common in Europe.

Please. What the US did to Indians and Africans.
...and how long ago was that?

We learned from our mistakes, and corrected our behavior. Why cant you do the same thing?

One portion of our population used to enslave the other...which is worse than anything you people have done to each other. Yet we got past that.


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face it you did good and bad things just like we all did.
I never denied it. Previous versions of America were clearly inferior to modern America. Morally and otherwise. I am the first one to criticize our Founding Fathers (for example) as being morally inferior to us.

You should work towards being able to say the exact same thing about your own nation. You should be better than your ancestors.


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Today US is not polluted by ethnic prejudices but with racial it is.
Please provide evidence of this.

In a nation with white majority, we have a black candidate for President. Our secretary of state of a black woman (and a Republican no less). None of that would be true if we had the racial divide that you believe we have.

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Democracy is a pre-requisite for that of course, but it is not enough. The masses have to want it too. And seeing the Serbians on this forum so far, it doesnt seem like they are really interested in moving on.

It will take them more than this generation to move on.

Serbs and Muslims did once live together in peace (more history lessons)

I agree with your view on the Serbs currently contributing here...

" We matured at a time when communications technology was also maturing "

Now with the benift of these technolgical advancements and places like the PF, it will facilitate getting to know each other that much better and hopefully exchanging views and finding ways to move on - so that we all may live in peace and prosperity.
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im still waiting for comrade death to explain why the big bad red army got its red a** kicked out of Afghanistan..............
...you think that the US Army and NATO allies were more successful in recent occupation of Afganistan? Really?
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A cowardly commander, huh?
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we do it different here, we make the enemy die.
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They aren't cowards. They need not learn to fight like pindoses.
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...you think that the US Army and NATO allies were more successful in recent occupation of Afganistan? Really?
again. why did they get kicked out of Afganistan????
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She was a translater there.

Good for your Mum, I hope you look after her, she was part of a unique generation that had a dignity in adversity that sems to be lost now.

If I may be so bold, I presume your father returned?
yes he did. im living proof !!! his squadron covered the N Africa landing. and later gunfire support in Sicily. my uncle killed U boats...............
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