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Kosovo’s declaration of independence has divided “not only the region but the whole of Europe” claims Serbia’s Foreign Minister.

“The move has not solved anything, has not made things better, has not strengthened the values, has not improved cooperation, has not contributed to the reconciliation, nor has it brought stability and safety,” Jeremic told the Committee of Ministers at the Council of Europe in Strasbourg.

He described the independence of Serbia’s former southern province as an “imposed solution” which is devastating the very essence of the European values.

“How much damage has it done to Serbia, Western Balkans and Europe? Yes, to Europe. The unilateral independence has divided us all and it is senseless to deny that,’ Jeremic said.

He reiterated Belgrade’s position that overcoming the divisions as well as the return to the European values was only possible if Pristina and Belgrade went back to the negotiating table.

Jeremic also referred to the Stabilisation and Association Agreement, SAA, the European Union signed with Serbia on April 29, reiterating that the deal is neutral regarding Kosovo’s final status.

The move by leaders of Serbia’s pro-European Democratic Party to sign the deal triggered a bitter conflict with the nationalists amid election campaigning ahead of the early general vote on Sunday.

The nationalists threatened to annul the SAA, the deal widely seen as the first step toward EU membership, if they win a majority in the new parliament, saying the signing of the deal was in fact tantamount to Belgrade’s recognition of Kosovo’s independence.

“Claims that signing the SAA meant the recognition of Kosovo’s independence are nothing but attempts to deceive the citizens,” he said.

Jeremic added that the annulling the SAA would mean there will not be European integration, free-visa nor free trade regimes.
I must say that I disagree with this. I believe that the independence of Kosovo is the first step to peace in the Balkans. Of course it creates yet another divide between Serbians and Albanians, but I think if the initial nationalism and antipathy is overcome everyone will be better off.

As long as the ethnic Albanian majority in Kosovo treat the Serbian minority with respect, I think there will be no problems. In reality, the declaration of independence does not cause the arguments and protests; it merely brings the big problems of nationalism and perhaps conflicting religions to the surface.

The ethnic Albanians are obviously strongly supporting independence, and only the use of physical force could have denied them this I think. Only military force could now take it away, and more bloodshed would not end the desire for independence of Albanians, nor would it make the Serbians better off.I hope that the international community recognizes Kosovo as a nation. It should not be a problem for Serbians if this happens.

I understand that many Serbians also feel strongly against the independence, as far as I know this is because of the religious or historical importance of the region of Kosovo to the Serbians. I think that as long as the Kosovo Albanians refrain from denying Serbians this land to live on without prejudice or violence, the region will remain theirs, shared as always with Albanians.
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I must say that I disagree with this. I believe that the independence of Kosovo is the first step to peace in the Balkans. Of course it creates yet another divide between Serbians and Albanians, but I think if the initial nationalism and antipathy is overcome everyone will be better off.

As long as the ethnic Albanian majority in Kosovo treat the Serbian minority with respect, I think there will be no problems. In reality, the declaration of independence does not cause the arguments and protests; it merely brings the big problems of nationalism and perhaps conflicting religions to the surface.

The ethnic Albanians are obviously strongly supporting independence, and only the use of physical force could have denied them this I think. Only military force could now take it away, and more bloodshed would not end the desire for independence of Albanians, nor would it make the Serbians better off.I hope that the international community recognizes Kosovo as a nation. It should not be a problem for Serbians if this happens.

I understand that many Serbians also feel strongly against the independence, as far as I know this is because of the religious or historical importance of the region of Kosovo to the Serbians. I think that as long as the Kosovo Albanians refrain from denying Serbians this land to live on without prejudice or violence, the region will remain theirs, shared as always with Albanians.

You seem like honest person, but unfortunately you are wrong. I wish you were right.

Check out in the internet for Presevo valley conflict and Macedonia 2001 conflict. Then look for NLA. Then look for Great Albania, then check out who are kosovo leaders and their past.Then we can talk.Also check for march 2004.

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Ok, I'll look them up.
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Ok

I found out about the National Liberation Army. They were responsible for the Presevo valley conflict and Macedonia 2001 conflict. I understand that this is unacceptable, however I think it's important to note that the NLA are considered rebels and are not supported by the Kosovo government (as far as I know).

Therefore, their actions do not represent the interests of either the ethnic Albanians or the Kosovo government. I'm against violence on both sides, and I agree that their insurgencies were intolerable and wrong.

I looked up Greater Albania, (the territories with a large Albanian population, including many areas outside Albania). I know that what I say will not be accepted by most Serbians and Macedonians, but in some ways it would be a good thing if the Albanian populations in those areas were represented as they should be. I'm not saying make them part of Albania, but perhaps Albanians could make up the majority in government. It's always hard for the ethnic minority to rule the majority. For example, the British rule of India and the European rule of African nations (though I realize that most of the "greater Albania" land is rightfully Serbia's)

I couldn't find any bad backgrounds for Kosovo's politicians, Fatmir Sejdiu seems reasonable enough at least. Perhaps you could raise some issues you have with certain politicians there?
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Ok

I found out about the National Liberation Army. They were responsible for the Presevo valley conflict and Macedonia 2001 conflict. I understand that this is unacceptable, however I think it's important to note that the NLA are considered rebels and are not supported by the Kosovo government (as far as I know).

Therefore, their actions do not represent the interests of either the ethnic Albanians or the Kosovo government. I'm against violence on both sides, and I agree that their insurgencies were intolerable and wrong.

I looked up Greater Albania, (the territories with a large Albanian population, including many areas outside Albania). I know that what I say will not be accepted by most Serbians and Macedonians, but in some ways it would be a good thing if the Albanian populations in those areas were represented as they should be. I'm not saying make them part of Albania, but perhaps Albanians could make up the majority in government. It's always hard for the ethnic minority to rule the majority. For example, the British rule of India and the European rule of African nations (though I realize that most of the "greater Albania" land is rightfully Serbia's)

I couldn't find any bad backgrounds for Kosovo's politicians, Fatmir Sejdiu seems reasonable enough at least. Perhaps you could raise some issues you have with certain politicians there?
The ANA Albanian national army is in fact from kosovo. There people jump into territory of Serbian and Macedonia and attack police and army. It is naive to say that Albanians from kosovo don’t have anything to do with it. Actually it all comes from albania.It would be the same if i say,serbs goverment did not have any thing to do with bosnian serbs or croatian during the yugoslav wars.

Albanians what for all territories were there people live to be great Albania .And that is why kosovo declaration of independence is not peace factor but the opposite. In 21 century it is wrong to say that all Albanians have to live in one country. In presevo wally albanians have all political power(local level).they haw celebration of flag day witch any country in the world would not alow,but serbia did.And government in Macedonia is mix with Macedonians and Albanians.

Number one man in kosovo is Ramush Haradinaj,the man is mafia. He was declared innocent in Hag. But he murdered 9 witnesses in kosovo,and intimidate the rest.And that is the fact.
Albanians have territorial pretensions over territories in Serbia,Macedonia,Montenegro and Greece.



ps:Check the most powerful mafia in the world(or second).
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From which fiction book do you get all these stuff from, Marko? Very entertaining to say the least.



Kiwi, if you want an objective view on the whole Kosova issue, I would recommend the book; ' Kosovo: Contending Voices on Balkan Interventions ' by William Joseph Buckley.


As far as the article goes, I too have to disagree with Mr. Jeremic. If anything, the Kosova independence will bring peace and stability in the Balkan region.
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Kiwi, if you want an objective view on the whole Kosova issue, I would recommend the book; ' Kosovo: Contending Voices on Balkan Interventions ' by William Joseph Buckley.
Thanks Donna, I'll look it up.

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The ANA Albanian national army is in fact from kosovo. There people jump into territory of Serbian and Macedonia and attack police and army. It is naive to say that Albanians from kosovo don’t have anything to do with it. Actually it all comes from albania.It would be the same if i say,serbs goverment did not have any thing to do with bosnian serbs or croatian during the yugoslav wars.
As I said, I understand why you feel bitter about the things that the rebel army did. And I agree that most of them are ethnic Albanians, and there is probably Albanian involvement in the organisation.

However, remember that the majority of ethnic Albanians have nothing to do with the violence. Both Serbia and Albania have their own militant groups, that cannot be denied, but both countries also have their own groups that protest against the conflicts. INPO is a good example of this in Kosovo; one of its missions is to expose the two different ethnic groups to each other in youth camps etc. This is good, because the two groups working together and even developing friendships between each other can only benefit the Balkans.

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Albanians what for all territories were there people live to be great Albania .And that is why kosovo declaration of independence is not peace factor but the opposite. In 21 century it is wrong to say that all Albanians have to live in one country. In presevo wally albanians have all political power(local level).they haw celebration of flag day witch any country in the world would not alow,but serbia did.And government in Macedonia is mix with Macedonians and Albanians.
Well I'm not sure what the situation is like, so I can't accurately comment on that. But would I be correct to say that some Serbians want the countries that broke away from the Yugoslav republic to form into one nation again? I am against militarisation and the desire for more territory on all sides. I'm not sure right now how this problem can be overcome.
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The Serbs that live in the Republic of Srpska should be granted the right to self-determination and unite with their motherland Serbia. Same thing goes to the Croatian part of Bosnia.

The remaining Muslim part of Bosnia should be an independent state.

That way, everybody would be happy and satisfied.
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Well, you would be happy and satisfied. The Albanians would not, and they could easily say that the ethnic Albanians in Maceodnia and Serbia be "granted the right to self-determination and unite with their motherland Albania."

The fact is that this would probably anger the Serbs and cause more war, just as your idea would likely anger the Albanians and cause more war. I think the only chance for peace is to agree to meet in the middle somewhere.
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Well, you would be happy and satisfied. The Albanians would not, and they could easily say that the ethnic Albanians in Maceodnia and Serbia be "granted the right to self-determination and unite with their motherland Albania."

The fact is that this would probably anger the Serbs and cause more war, just as your idea would likely anger the Albanians and cause more war. I think the only chance for peace is to agree to meet in the middle somewhere.
I am talking about Bosnia here. Nobody is happy with Bosnia the way it is, none of the three sides.

Considering Kosovo, there is not a single doubt about it. Serbia will never recognize this false NATO Muslim state in the heart of Europe.

KOSOVO IS SERBIA!
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