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Old 07-01-2008, 02:57 AM
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No I don't, nor do the 43 countries ( so far ) that have recognized Kosova.

It's quite ironic when countries such as China, Russia, together with Serbia try to " defend international law ". When Serbia for one, has broken law after law.
The answer is simple. This 43 countries are provinces of US empire. Russia, China and Sebia are independent for a while....
What are we argue about if Condolisa Rice said clearly "An international order that reflects our values is the best guarantee of our enduring national interest, and America continues to have a unique opportunity to shape this outcome"
US empire is coming everywhere.

Also, I want to cite from Condolisa Rice.
"The experience of recent years has tested our armed forces, but it has also prepared a new generation of military leaders for stabilization and counterinsurgency missions, of which we will likely face more."

US punitive forces ready to work in US provinces!

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Old 07-01-2008, 03:15 AM
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Did we get some more Russians or Serbs? I notice some new posters in this thread.

Anyway what made Kosovo unique was the whole enthinc cleansing until having to be bombed thing.

Though I do wish some sort of serious in between position could have been taken. One where Kosovo was still in some way part of Serbia but would have it's own armed forces to ensure there wouldn't be a repeat.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:48 AM
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Though I do wish some sort of serious in between position could have been taken. One where Kosovo was still in some way part of Serbia but would have it's own armed forces to ensure there wouldn't be a repeat.
Well, Kosova's status will not be re-negotiated. Serbia is in this position due to its own actions. Serbia was given chance after chance, but instead of choosing peace, it chose war.


As much as Serbia seems to want to play on the "victim- card", it's not- far from it. Like the saying goes, " As you reap, so shall you sow ".


Furthermore, Russia's interest has nothing to do with Serbia, or " defending international law ", as Russia only cares for Russia.

Analyst: Russia wants to divide Europe through Kosovo

"Russia will continue to put pressure to keep the Kosovo issue open, because as in the past, Moscow is going to follow a long term political strategy similar to that of the Soviet-Russian foreign policy known as 'divide and rule'," said the European analyst.

Moore explained that, "by assessing the issue of Kosovo, they [Russians] intend to instill division among the European nations and later rule them."


"Serbia knows that Kosovo is lost and negotiations are over whereas Russia is using the issue as a long term strategy to dominate Europe," stressed the analyst.

http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080...gh-Kosovo.html

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Old 07-01-2008, 05:33 AM
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Russia doesn't need to divide Europe.
Russia doesn't have trillions of debt.
Russia doesn't have worldwide currency.
Russia has enough resourses for own.
Russia doesn't have most powelfull army in the world.

Just think who is agressor in this case. I'm sure only US could be agressor under the circumstances.

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Old 07-01-2008, 06:37 AM
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Just think who is agressor in this case. I'm sure only US could be agressor under the circumstances.


yep....its always those rascally americans who are the blame....
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xDonnax, do you agree that the recognition of Kosovo is against international law and therefore NOT lawfully legitimate?


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No I don't.
Explain why not.
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xDonnax, do you agree that the recognition of Kosovo is against international law and therefore NOT lawfully legitimate?




Explain why not.
NPR (hehe), do you agree that it doesn't matter?
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The independence of Kosovo didn't go through the entirely proper channels due to Russian and Chinese vetos.

However without European and American support no other action would be legal either.

Thus leaving a state where Kosovo would be an eternal UN/NATO protectorate, which is obviously silly. And actually I believe some kind of deadline was set, so even perpetual occupation may not have been legal.

In the end I don't think a law was actually broken.

That being said I'll admit the spirit of 1244 was that Serbia should retain some form of ownership.
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That being said I'll admit the spirit of 1244 was that Serbia should retain some form of ownership.

There is not single legal fragment of 1244 that says so. That being said, Serbia has no voice over the issue, let along a chance to retain anything. Before you read opinions, please take your time and read 1244.


Kosovo is independent, sovereign and free, whether you like it or not!
Lastly, China did not veto anything! Neither Russians did.

There's a difference between a statement or action.

Your ideology lacks of common sense.
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My you Albanians turn quickly. Throwing negrep (I presume it was you?) and vitrol. Despite my usually being supportive of the Albanian side, even in that post.

While 1244 didn't have anything forcing reunification it has a number of phrases like " Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2" that indicate the spirit of it and beyond that would lead any Russian or Serb reading it to believe that some form of reunification would result. I believe that being why such language was used.

So you are independent, I don't think it's technically illegal and I think there are good reasons for it, but a little deceptive and "not in coordination"? Yes it was. Do not insult us all by pretending otherwise.

And a word to the wise for you and the country in general. Do not bite the hand that frees you.
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