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Statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs concerning terrorist acts in Gal district of Abkhazia on the 6th of July 2008

Against the backdrop of heightened preparation by Georgia for a militaryaggression against Abkhazia, a series of terrorist acts in the cities ofAbkhazia were directed against peaceful population and caused injuries ofinnocent people. Recent blasts in Gal town on the 6th of July 2008 killedfour people and seriously injured many others. For the past 15 post-conflict years, Georgian leadership has been suspectedof supporting terrorism. The UN Joint Fact Finding Mission asserted in itsreport of 20 - 24 November, 2000, that: ". armed groups, consisting ofGeorgians were carrying out aimed attacks in Gal district. Their immediatetask was to create an atmosphere of fear and instability among returnees toGal district in order to show that it is impossible to stay in the territorycontrolled by the Abkhaz side. They used ambushes, kidnappings and aimedmining ". The destiny of those kidnapped by the Georgian secret services -Chairman of the Election Committee of the Gal district Mr. David Sigua - isstill unclear. Similarly, the international community, has also been accused of failing togive objective assessment of Georgian authorities, and condemning violationsof human rights in Georgian policy in Abkhazia and South Ossertia. Considering the above, Abkhazia appeals to the G8 countries, the UN SecurityCouncil, the OSCE and the Group of Friends of the UN Secretary General totake adequate measures to suppress the threat of terrorism arising from Georgia, as neglecting such provocations will lead to irreversibleescalation of the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict. Sukhum 07.07.2008


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It is Georgian land - its just that the Russians left their trash behind when their communist empire collapsed and Georgia became free from their oppression.
Oh, poor Georgians... That was never Georgian land before the communists gave it to Georgia in the 1920's...

And by the way, do you where Stalin came form?
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S.Ossetia says Georgia evacuating children before 'invasion'


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MOSCOW, July 8 (RIA Novosti) - Georgia's breakaway republic of South Ossetia said on Tuesday that Tbilisi has evacuated around 300 children from ethnic-Georgian areas of the province, and accused the country of preparing an invasion.
Tensions have been escalating in the region since last week's shootout between Georgian and South Ossetian forces, in which one local was killed.

South Ossetian presidential envoy Dmitry Medoyev told RIA Novosti that the evacuation of local children "is a clear indication of preparations for a military invasion of South Ossetia. According to our information, since July 5 the Georgian military has evacuated around 300 children from its enclaves in Tamarasheni, Nuli, Eredvi and Kurta."

He said that South Ossetia has also taken precautions, sending children to recreation centers and health resorts in nearby countries and in Georgia's other rebel region, Abkhazia.
The envoy also said Georgia has been expanding its military presence on its border with South Ossetia.
"Georgian troops are covertly occupying empty buildings and equipping gun posts there. We are keeping an eye on the situation, but are not opening fire, as we have been ordered not to fall for provocations."

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Oh, poor Georgians... That was never Georgian land before the communists gave it to Georgia in the 1920's...

And by the way, do you where Stalin came form?
Stalin was a communist - and its doesn't matter where they come from - they are all sc.um
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Stalin was a communist - and its doesn't matter where they come from - they are all sc.um
Funny!

During the early years of Soviet rule, Abkhazia and Georgia were separate and equal union republics. In 1931 Abkhazia was forced to join Georgia.

As i said before, for some 60 years Abkhazia was forced to accept the unwelcome status of being a mere autonomous republic with Soviet Georgia (thanks to the ruling of the Georgian dictator Stalin – ‘Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili’).

Lets read...

from Stephen Shenfield's essay ''ORIGINS AND EVOLUTION OF THE GEORGIAN-ABKHAZ CONFLICT''

5) The period of the Stalin--Beria terror (December 1936—1953)

The idyll came to an abrupt end in December 1936, when Beria—by this time Communist Party secretary for the whole South Caucasus—summoned Lak’oba to Tbilisi. Beria acquainted Lak’oba with a plan to resettle peasants from western Georgia in Abkhazia. Lak’oba refused to implement the plan. The next day Lak’oba died under mysterious circumstances; the condition of the corpse returned to his family suggested that he had been poisoned, perhaps by Beria personally (Lak’oba 1998, p. 95).

Thus began a period marked by the de facto elimination of Abkhaz autonomy, a reign of terror in which most of the Abkhaz political and intellectual elite perished, and the forcible Georgianization of Abkhazia and of the Abkhaz. Georgianization took two main forms. First, more Georgians were settled in Abkhazia, shifting the ethno-demographic balance further against the Abkhaz and breaking up remaining contiguous areas of Abkhaz habitation. Second, public use of the Abkhaz language was progressively restricted: Georgian place names replaced Abkhaz ones; Abkhaz writing, based since 1926 on the Latin alphabet, was switched to a version of Georgian script; radio broadcasting in Abkhaz ceased; and after the war Abkhaz was replaced by Georgian as the language of instruction in schools. The last of these measures left particularly painful memories in the minds of the generation of Abkhaz growing up at that time, for they were beaten if they spoke their native language and were forced to cope with a language of which they had no previous knowledge.
Research in Communist Party archives has shown that in implementing the policy of Georgianization Georgian bureaucrats in Abkhazia acted in general accordance with the directives of the central leadership in Moscow (Lezhava 1997, pp. 116—61). Georgianization in Abkhazia was merely the local application of a much broader policy aimed at the assimilation of ethnic minorities in all the Union Republics. True, the Georgian bureaucrats may have gone even further than they were required to. Thus, their instructions stipulated that teaching was no longer to be carried out in local minority languages like Abkhaz, but did not prohibit the teaching of such languages as special subjects. This loophole was not exploited: teaching of as well as in Abkhaz was suppressed. Nevertheless, responsibility lay primarily with Moscow, not Tbilisi. This, however, is not how Abkhaz tended to interpret the matter. They were inclined to blame “the Georgians.” A number of reasons can be suggested for this: the Georgian origin of Stalin and Beria, the simple fact that they were being subjected to Georgianization not Russification, and their positive experience in the preceding period, which predisposed them against blaming the Soviet system as such.

The bitterness against Georgians that originated in the late 1940s and early 1950s is an important factor underlying the escalation of the Abkhaz-Georgian conflict in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Read all: http://www.circassianworld.com/Geo_Abk_conflict.html

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Funny!

During the early years of Soviet rule, Abkhazia and Georgia were separate and equal union republics. In 1931 Abkhazia was forced to join Georgia.

As i said before, for some 60 years Abkhazia was forced to accept the unwelcome status of being a mere autonomous republic with Soviet Georgia (thanks to the ruling of the Georgian dictator Stalin – ‘Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili’).
Thank you for the info, Glenn-G. I agree with you - the Soviet leaders used to toss nations left and right.

They gave Armenia's Nagorno Karabakh to Azerbaijan, Russia's Crimea to Ukraine, Belorussian city of Vilna (Vilno, today's Vilnius) to Lithuania and so on and so forth.

I guess the Soviet leaders coudn't predict that one day the USSR would break up and Azerbaijan start a war for "their" Nagorno Karabakh, and Georgia would fight Abkhazia....
It's going to take time to settle these disputes.



10/ 07/ 2008

Abkhaz leader in Moscow to discuss opening of Russian mission



Russian President Dmitry Medvedev (L) shakes hands with the president of Georgia's breakaway Abkhazia region, Sergei Bagapsh.

MOSCOW, July 10 (RIA Novosti) - The president of Abkhazia arrived in Moscow on Thursday to discuss the opening of a Russian diplomatic mission in the Georgian breakaway republic, the Abkhaz foreign minister said.

Sergei Bagapsh "is due to hold meetings at the Russian Foreign Ministry during which the situation in the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict zone and the opening of a Russian Foreign Ministry representative office in Abkhazia will be discussed," Sergei Shamba told RIA Novosti.
The Abkhaz diplomat said Bagapsh will also discuss economic issues, including a project initiated by former president Vladimir Putin.

In April Putin called for closer ties with Abkhazia and another Georgian rebel region, South Ossetia, and urged the government to develop assistance measures for the breakaway regions, provoking fury from Tbilisi, which accused Moscow of trying to annex the regions.

Bagapsh also plans to meet with his South Ossetian counterpart Eduard Kokoity, also on a visit to Moscow, Shamba said.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia broke away from Georgia in the early 1990s following the collapse of the Soviet Union. The pro-Western Georgian leadership has said it is determined to bring the breakaway regions back under Tbilisi's control.

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Good point NPR - I agree with you!

And The current day Russian leaders are just as incompetant

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And The current day Russian leaders are just as incompetant
Explain that, please. How are they "incompetant"?
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Explain that, please. How are they "incompetant"?
My pleaseure :

They are weak in the face of rampant Russian corruption!


One third of Russia's military spending is lost to corruption:

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The Russian President, Dmitry Medvedev, has repeatedly spoken of the way corruption undermines the Russian state, and has pledged to curb it.

However, many Russian analysts have already questioned whether he will succeed.

Corruption in Russia, they point out, is about something far deeper than giving or taking bribes.
http://www.economist.com/world/europ...ry_id=11708197

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One reason why inflation is on the rise is that the government is pouring money into state corporations and public spending. But a deeper problem is that rising consumer and investment demand cannot be satisfied by an economy that is constrained by corruption, Soviet-era infrastructure and an inadequate and immobile workforce.
And there is nothing Medvedev can do, other than inform RussiaToday to let everyone know that some anti-corruption bureau has been set up to investigate and all they will do is take a big bride for themselves to leave the big corrupt Russian alone and prosecute some small fish they can produce.

All the time approx 1/3 of Russia's economy is being sapped by the Oligarchs. While the dopes in Russia read RussiaToday and marval at how great Russia has become, talk about "bread and circus"!!!!
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