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Old 07-08-2008, 10:50 AM
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One century ago Russians was making these kind of things to Ottoman Empire, Now they make against to United States
Explain that, please.
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.............BREAKING NEWS................

July 8, 2008, 18:25

Czech Republic and U.S. sign radar base agreement


The U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has just signed an agreement on an anti-missile radar base with her Czech counterpart, Karel Swarzenberg, in Prague. Russian Foreign Ministry says the latest U.S. step in fact cancels the agreements reached with Moscow.
The U.S. say a missile defence shield in Eastern Europe will prevent any future attacks on the U.S. from countries like Iran and North Korea.
According to recent polls, the plan is opposed by 70 per cent of the Czech population.
The treaty also promises Washington will protect the Czech Republic from possible missile attacks by terrorists.
Before the signing Condoleezza Rice said the deal “not only guarantees security for the U.S. and the Czech Republic, but all of the states in the region."

The Czech parliament will start the ratification process of the agreement in the autumn.

”We have been protesting against the radar for the last two years, and the government has made clear its intention is to make sure that the U.S. Star Wars radar is placed in our country. So this signing is just an approval of these intentions. Fortunately, it’s not up to the government to decide. The agreement has to be ratified by the Czech parliament. And the situation there is far from clear. Right now it doesn’t seem that the government has the necessary majority to pass this treaty,” said Jan Tamas, Head of the ‘No to the Base’ movement .

The deployment of American anti-missile elements in Eastern Europe is strongly opposed by Russia, which considers them a threat to its security. Moscow's proposals to create a joint security system still stand says the Foreign Ministry.

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Obama will remove all this war-mongering bush plans. don't you ever worry.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:59 AM
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How can you "target" anything with a defensive missile system?
The missile system is obviously aimed at Russia not Iran; people here laugh when they hear Bush say it's aimed at Iran.

Let's put this in context. Gorbachev in 1991 allowed the newly reunified Germany to become a part of NATO under the condition that Bush Sr. promise not to expand NATO any further east. Germany's a country that's attacked Russia twice in the past century. Bush agreed, but just a few years later Clinton expanded NATO further to the East. Then you look at all the post Cold War agreements that were signed with Russia. For example the reduction of nuclear arms, which is an obligation under the NPT, or the closing down of bases by both sides. Russia has closed down most of its military bases, while the US that had the same obligation expanded those bases into Russia neighborhood.

So within that context, would you not be paranoid if you were Russia? Is it not an insult to the Russian peoples intelligence to tell them that the Eastern Europeans need a missile defense shield because WE of all people will try to bomb them?

It's common sense mate.
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Old 07-08-2008, 01:01 PM
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actually, I think rules allow me to express my opinions in this forum, and forbids you to insult me. but which neo-con ever cared about the rules?
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The missile system is obviously aimed at Russia not Iran; people here laugh when they hear Bush say it's aimed at Iran.

Let's put this in context. Gorbachev in 1991 allowed the newly reunified Germany to become a part of NATO under the condition that Bush Sr. promise not to expand NATO any further east. Germany's a country that's attacked Russia twice in the past century. Bush agreed, but just a few years later Clinton expanded NATO further to the East. Then you look at all the post Cold War agreements that were signed with Russia. For example the reduction of nuclear arms, which is an obligation under the NPT, or the closing down of bases by both sides. Russia has closed down most of its military bases, while the US that had the same obligation expanded those bases into Russia neighborhood.

So within that context, would you not be paranoid if you were Russia? Is it not an insult to the Russian peoples intelligence to tell them that the Eastern Europeans need a missile defense shield because WE of all people will try to bomb them?

It's common sense mate.
Yes, I agree with the notion that its ludicrous to tell people that these defensive precautions are for Iran. But they're still defensive and limited; simply put, they could not support enough destruction of Russian ICBMs to warrant any kind of naked expansion into Russia.

However, you're very correct that the U.S. does a lousy job of living up to its treaties. Arrogance is one of our attributes.
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actually, I think rules allow me to express my opinions in this forum, and forbids you to insult me. but which neo-con ever cared about the rules?
He has a chronic problem with name-calling, Perham. Should be a matter of time before someone bans him, right?
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I'm not for banning anyone. however, a warning may calm him down.
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