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Old 07-14-2008, 01:54 PM
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Unfortunitly the first option is all too common. I say unfortunitly because that's what happened with our patriot systems. They'd brag about the 90%+ or whatever kill rate but often we'd just hit the rocket leaving the warhead intact. So while it's nice it didn't get to it's intended target the warhead would still land on somebodies house or something.

Though I'm thinking shorter ranged weapons. With an ICBM the first case is most likely if the missile gets hit in the boost phase. And for that you need to be pretty close to the launch site. I presume this is why we're trying to crawl up Russias rear with these missile systems.
fuel for short range weapons differ significantly from long range weapons. You can't just shoot a missile out of the sky without letting it explode.

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After it's done boosting they fly through the air pretty much just using gravity. Now I guess I didn't say it. But warheads are designed to handle re-entry. They are not made out of Balsa wood. So a near miss at this stage could hurl a warhead far far off target. Also on the long range ones if you hit it high enough I believe they aren't considered a threat to the earth. It's just exploding out in space. There is some radioactivity but much is just going to go out into space and the rest is going to be spread over a massive area. So it isn't going to be concentrated.

In the terminal phase things could be less fun. This would be near where the target is. With a conventional missle slapping it around can make it miss it's target. But since missing by a mile isn't such a big deal with a nuke I think we'd have to hit them square and hope that we get case #2.

So generally speaking the situation is better the closer the intercepters are to Russia.
basicly, that missile (or the fallout) can land anyway from russia to western europe. That's a bad shield.
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Not if it succeeds in preventing a nuclear detonation. Thats a good shield.
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You're still thinking there has to be some nasty fallout. If we hit the thing while it isn't in the atmosphere (our current plan) even if it blows it isn't a significat worry anywhere.

A boost phase hit could be as much a consern to Russia as anywhere and a fair chance the warehead wouldn't go off if they have failsafes.

And even if we hit it in the terminal phase there is a reason why people talk about having to do all this reasearch to use a nuclear weapon. You don't just randomly throw uranium and explosives in a case and expect to get a detonation. The explosion has to force the nuclear material together in such a way that it acheives critical mass. If the explosion is sufficiently messed up than you just have radioactive chunks landing. Not great, but it isn't Chernobyl by any stretch.

Also all the above scenarions are vastly superior to having the missile actually detonate on target.
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Russia READY to neutralize the US BMD - Warshaw and Prague become legimate targets

AFP - 2 hours 39 minutes ago

MOSCOW (AFP) - - Russia's military is ready to "neutralise" any threat to its nuclear deterrent from US missile defence sites in Europe, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Kislyak said Monday, according to Interfax news agency.

"If we see the development of systems that could reduce our deterrent potential, our military will have to take steps to neutralise the threat," Kislyak was quoted as saying at a briefing in Moscow.

He did not specify the steps that would be taken, saying "this will be decided by military specialists."
"We would prefer not to have to do this," he added.


Kislyak said US proposals to ease Russian concerns about the missile shield, which Washington claims is aimed at countering possible threats from states such as Iran, remained in doubt.

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visited Moscow in March and offered Russia the opportunity to monitor the sites, which they plan to install in the Czech Republic and Poland, but Czech and Polish officials later cast doubt on that offer.

"There are misunderstandings between what the US foreign and defence ministers said here (in Moscow) and what their Czech and Polish partners say. So this still remains in question," Kislyak said.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/2008071...y-7e07afd.html


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So if they want missile defense you'll hit them with missiles huh?

Also what's with the random video of Russian defensive missile systems?
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Empty threats are what passes for "neutralizing" now?



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"If we see the development of systems that could reduce our deterrent potential, our military will have to take steps to neutralise the threat," Kislyak was quoted as saying at a briefing in Moscow.

He did not specify the steps that would be taken
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heh heh...the evil US is offering Russia the opportunity to see for themselves that arent threatening them, and its still not good enough. Condi and Bush have far more patience with Russia than I would have.

Russia is like the kid who insists the monster is still under their bed even though you've looked under there ten times tonight already. Just go to bed Russia! heh heh
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You're still thinking there has to be some nasty fallout. If we hit the thing while it isn't in the atmosphere (our current plan) even if it blows it isn't a significat worry anywhere.

A boost phase hit could be as much a consern to Russia as anywhere and a fair chance the warehead wouldn't go off if they have failsafes.

And even if we hit it in the terminal phase there is a reason why people talk about having to do all this reasearch to use a nuclear weapon. You don't just randomly throw uranium and explosives in a case and expect to get a detonation. The explosion has to force the nuclear material together in such a way that it acheives critical mass. If the explosion is sufficiently messed up than you just have radioactive chunks landing. Not great, but it isn't Chernobyl by any stretch.

Also all the above scenarions are vastly superior to having the missile actually detonate on target.
If that think explodes. It doesn't have to reach critical mass. Both plutonium and uranium are toxic and radioactive substances. It's the same as letting a dirty bomb explode. That's what my main concern is. I'm certainly not worried that it will reach critical mass.
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If that think explodes. It doesn't have to reach critical mass. Both plutonium and uranium are toxic and radioactive substances. It's the same as letting a dirty bomb explode. That's what my main concern is. I'm certainly not worried that it will reach critical mass.
cant you americans invent a giant baseball bat instead and hit it for 6? use it as a cannon too
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If that think explodes. It doesn't have to reach critical mass. Both plutonium and uranium are toxic and radioactive substances.
The amount contained in a single missile is not likely to be that significant.
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