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Old 07-24-2008, 09:13 AM
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Bush is a hypocrite!!! Why isn't he supporting an independent Kurdistan?
The Kurds are not being exterminated by the free Iraqi government, and they already have an equal voice. So there is no need for independence.

We would not have supported Kosovar independence if that had been the case with them.
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Hashim Thaci was on an Interpol warrant, arrested in Hungary in 2003 and released after the intervention from Uncle Sam and Javier Solana.

Check this and you'll find out.

All those articles refer to KLA, and Hashim Thaci was the leader of the KLA.
The warrant was sent out by none other than Serbia, and not by the International bodies, which does not come as a surprise.

" His detention was based on an arrest warrant issued by Belgrade authorities in 1997 and 1999 under the rule of Slobodan Milosevic,currently before the war crimes tribunal in The Hague. "

http://www.unmikonline.org/press/200...mm020703AM.htm


Also regarding KLA itself, it was an everyman insurgent force, rather than a simple mafia entity as suggested by revisionists.
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what are you a north korean isolationist? and the involvement of the balkans was not a unilateral decision but a collective one that Usa was involved with, according by the military resources the Us had more capacity. Why do you have one of the greatest military complexes and dont do anything good with it?

as for iraq it will need more time, including afganistan, notice Korea and Japan...
anyway crussade on someone else's backyard
I'm not an isolationist; I'm a non-interventionist. I don't care if the US was part of a collective effort in the Balkans, because I don't believe in getting involved in any form of collective effort to fight any war that isn't directly related to defending the US after an attack.

Our involvement in Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Lebanon, Kuwait, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq, etc was not justified since none of them ever attacked the US.

The only reason for the US to have a strong military is to protect the US; not other countries.

So, I want the US out of the Balkans. It's not our fight. I also want us out of NATO and the UN; and I want all of our military bases in foreign countries shut down and our troops brought back home. See, I don't believe in being in someone else's backyard.
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The Kurds are not being exterminated by the free Iraqi government, and they already have an equal voice. So there is no need for independence.

We would not have supported Kosovar independence if that had been the case with them.
What about the Kurds in turkey, Syria and Iran?
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The Kurds are not being exterminated by the free Iraqi government, and they already have an equal voice. So there is no need for independence.

We would not have supported Kosovar independence if that had been the case with them.
So what? They still want their independence. They don't want to be part of some put together country that really should be at least three separate countries.

Your example is flawed, since that so-called 'free Iraqi government' didn't occur until after the US invaded Iraq, overthrew Saddam, imposed democracy, and forced the Kurds to remain in the union. Why didn't we do that in the Balkans? Answer: because our foreign policy is hypocritical.
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What about the Kurds in turkey, Syria and Iran?
Exactly! They're the largest ethnic group in the world without a country.
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Me: The Kurds are not being exterminated by the free Iraqi government, and they already have an equal voice. So there is no need for independence. We would not have supported Kosovar independence if that had been the case with them.

What about the Kurds in turkey, Syria and Iran?
Syria is a monarchy, and Iran is an oligarchy. Neither is a democracy, therefore the governments have no right to exist anyway. I would be ok with independence movements from Kurds in Syria and Iran.

Do you have evidence that Kurds do not get equal representation in Turkey or that they are being ethnically cleansed there?



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Me: We would not have supported Kosovar independence if that had been the case with them.

So what? They still want their independence.
They already have a voice and representation in their government. As far as I am concerned, that is sufficient.



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They don't want to be part of some put together country that really should be at least three separate countries.
I do not accept you as their official interpreter.



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Your example is flawed, since that so-called 'free Iraqi government' didn't occur until after the US invaded Iraq, overthrew Saddam, imposed democracy, and forced the Kurds to remain in the union.
So? We are discussing their situation now. Not what it was prior to the US invasion.

Had they wanted an independent state while under Saddam's "government" I would have fully supported them.


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Why didn't we do that in the Balkans?
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I'm not an isolationist; I'm a non-interventionist.
Well, you're also a minority right now. At least in America. Sorry.
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