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Old 09-01-2008, 09:20 AM
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NPR....why do countries like yours ALWAYS have to show that new weapon they have in some kind of parade?.....im not saying they have no parades in the west,but they dont do this every time a new weapon is revealed, it seems like some countries have to show the rest of the world that "see we are tough too,and we are not lying" type of thing.....is it an inferior complex or something?....just askin....
It's not new one.
Parade is parade. That picture i think from WW2 victory day in 2008. It was fisrt parade with weapon since 198X. Well its just a parade .

Why people went gym?... To show their body!
Its even not neccesary show their power they just show how big they are... And you know, it makes them more safer because no one want to figth with guy with musculs.
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Russia has successfully tested a stealth missile able to penetrate the US defence system being built in Poland


In a clear show of military strength amid rising tensions with Nato allies, Kremlin chiefs fired a Topol RS-12M rocket, which has nuclear capabilities, from their Plesetsk space centre to a target 3,700 miles across the country.


The test came a week after Washington and Warsaw formally agreed a deal to host components of a US missile defence shield in Poland. While American officials insist the shield is designed to defend against a potential attack from Iran or North Korea, Moscow has maintained that it is an unacceptable affront to its own security.
The Russian Foreign Ministry last week promised "to react, and not only through diplomatic protests" to the shield's construction.

Following the test strike, Col Alexander Vovk of the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces said: "The launch was specially tasked to test the missile's capability to avoid ground-based detection systems."

The missile hit its target "with high precision, demonstrating its capability to deliver pinpoint strikes on well-defended targets," Col Vovk added.


The Topol RS-12M, which is referred to as the SS-25 Sickle by Nato, weighs 45 tonnes, has a maximum range of 6,125 miles and can carry one 550-kiloton nuclear warhead. The development of the weapon began in 1977 and it has been part of the Russian arsenal since the Cold War.
However, earlier models have been updated and their service life extended. Col Vovk said the latest model was less detectable and its path less predictable by shields.

READ MORE -- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...US-sheild.html



Russia successfully tested a long-range Topol missile designed to avoid detection by anti-missile defence systems from its Plesetsk launch site, a Russian military spokesman said on Thursday.

"The launch was specially tasked to test the missile's capability to avoid ground-based detection systems," said Colonel Alexander Vovk of the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces.
Washington and Warsaw formally signed a deal last week to station elements of a U.S. missile defence shield in Poland, a move that has aggravated Russian-Western tensions already raw from Moscow's intervention in Georgia.
Russia has heaped scorn on the missile defence system, which the U.S. says is aimed at Iran, and through its Foreign Ministry last week vowed "to react, and not only through diplomatic protests."
The RS-12M Topol, called the SS-25 Sickle by NATO, has a maximum range of 10,000 km (6,125 miles) and can carry one 550-kiloton warhead.
Last October former Russian President Vladimir Putin, now the prime minister, said the country was working on new types of nuclear weapons as part of a "grandiose" plan to boost the country's defenses.
"As part of the commander in chief's order there will be a few more launches of this particular missile before the end of the year," Vovk said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/world...60130720080828

OMIGOSH,stop it!! My sides are hurting !! This thread should be sent to the "Humor" site....
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Old 09-01-2008, 09:06 PM
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It's not new one.
Parade is parade. That picture i think from WW2 victory day in 2008. It was fisrt parade with weapon since 198X. Well its just a parade .

Why people went gym?... To show their body!
Its even not neccesary show their power they just show how big they are... And you know, it makes them more safer because no one want to figth with guy with musculs.
Do you feel simple logic?
No complexes just brutal reality.

thanks Pavel.....you can report back to the Enterprise now....
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Old 09-02-2008, 06:26 AM
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thanks Pavel.....you can report back to the Enterprise now....
To whom should i report? Please clarify.
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To whom should i report? Please clarify.
In case you don't get it he's refering to Pavel Chekov, a character in the origional Star Trek series.

Which was actually kind of interesting in that Star Trek ran during the cold war. So it would have been tempting to avoid having Russian characters on such a show or have them have some negative traits or something, but the Pavel Chekov character was supposed be part of showing humanity finally working together and was reliable, skilled, and on his way up the ranks.
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Washington's nuclear maneuver

18:59 | 28/ 08/ 2008


- Quoting anonymous sources, the Western media are making a stir by saying that the United States is ready to freeze the intergovernmental agreement with Russia for peaceful nuclear cooperation because of the Georgian conflict.

The Financial Times called the agreement one of the obvious victims of the tensions between Washington and Moscow, which have rarely been so high since the end of the Cold War.

Japanese publications are even more pessimistic. They believe that a step toward freezing the agreement raises a question mark over the future of bilateral nuclear cooperation.

However, Russia and the United States have been cooperating in the nuclear sphere for many years, and nobody is going to cancel their contacts. The two great powers guarantee nuclear non-proliferation and development of civilian nuclear power industry. The agreement in question was signed on May 6 of this year.

This agreement establishes basic principles of cooperation in the nuclear sphere, and is designed to provide a legal foundation for direct contacts between Russian and American companies in civilian use of nuclear energy. Before, all business in this sphere was based on exclusive intergovernmental agreements, whereas this document will allow American and Russian companies to cooperate without asking their presidents for signatures on every occasion.

Businessmen have been waiting for this agreement for many years. Its absence was due to political rather than economic reasons. The vestiges of the Cold War were not fully overcome, and the confrontation between the two powers in the super-sensitive nuclear sphere politicized even civilian programs.

However, the situation has changed since then. Both possessing considerable nuclear potential, the United States and Russia decided to remove political obstacles and develop a mutually advantageous partnership. The agreement was signed by Sergei Kiriyenko, head of the Federal Agency for Nuclear Power (Rosatom), and U.S. Ambassador William Burns, who said that the two former rivals in this sphere were now partners.

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Russia has successfully tested a stealth missile able to penetrate the US defence system being built in Poland
First you people claim that the Missile Defense System is just a pretext for an OFFENSIVE missile system on Russia's borders.

You base this claim on the "fact" that missile defense doesnt work...yet it seems to work well enough that Russia feels it needs to develop a missile specifically to counter...a system that doesnt work?

Please make up your minds, heh heh



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Yanks! Antimissile defense will not help!
It didn't help before...that was what we have been trying to tell you from the beginning! heh heh

Russia has THOUSANDS of warheads...ten interceptor missiles are not going to stop thousands of warheads. Thats what we have been telling you from the beginning. This stealth missile is a pointless and wasted effort. MDS was never intended to defend against a Russian attack. We already have a defense against Russian attack...it is called M.A.D.

This "stealth" missile is useless, even assuming it works exactly as claimed. Because it will not defend Russia against a counterstrike, and the threat of M.A.D. is the whole reason Russia will never attack the US with nukes.

If Russia wants to engage in this pointless ego stroking, hey, far be it from me to stop them. They can waste as much money as they want. Their "threat" to us is exactly the same as it was before. Nothing changed.


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Once they are over the US, it's too late. I have to assume that somewhere in Alaska and Canada there will be other missiles, as well as the west coast of the US, the pacific islands and Japan.
Yeah, there are mid and terminal phase missile sites in Alaska for sure.



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Of course if the purpose of the shield is as stated, to stop missiles from Rogue nations, it doesn't matter what Russia develops. Well, it means less cash for Russia.
Exactly...we have been telling them all along that the MDS was never aimed at Russia anyway. Why would we care if Russia developed a way to defeat a system that was never intended as a defense against them anyway?



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Very interesting in that the US unilaterally withdrew from this treaty. Since the treaty was approved by the Senate then the Senate would have to vote on ending the treaty and as noted in Wikipedia President Bush without Senate authorization withdrew from the ABM treaty. The President does not have this authority and is in violation of the Constitution in doing so. Any treaties or modifications to them require a 2/3rds vote of the Senate.
It would depend on the wording of the treaty. The senate may have ceded authority to the President on this matter (which they did with the declaration of was powers in Iraq as well).

Is it Constitutional to do so? The Supreme Court, by their inaction, seems to say "yes". And they are the final authority.
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and the threat of M.A.D. is the whole reason Russia will never attack the US with nukes.
Even if US attacks Russia with nukes first?
btw, USA is threatening Russia back into stoneage even as we speak
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btw, USA is threatening Russia back into stoneage even as we speak
Can you even find so much as a Pravda link for that? Especially for a first strike. I mean we keep the missiles pointed at each other and all so that's an implied threat. But actually saying something?
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Me: ...and the threat of M.A.D. is the whole reason Russia will never attack the US with nukes.

Even if US attacks Russia with nukes first?
No. Since the US will never attack Russia with nukes.



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btw, USA is threatening Russia back into stoneage even as we speak
Source please.

I've never seen any evidence at all that the US is planning an attack of any kind against Russia. Not even a vague implication.
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