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Old 07-20-2009, 10:43 AM
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False. See Stephen Hawking's imaginary time. According to this idea, saying time has a beginning is like saying the North Pole is the beginning of the earth. Time, like space (according to the block-universe model, time is merely a form of space), may be finite but unbounded.
Lol, It isn't false, Hawkings idea is a hypothesis not a fact. I do not think time is finite, time is like space yes. Coupled with space to produce additional dimensions. Hawking's idea fits in with mine, however as stated time is the north pole, you can keep going around the world. Hence, a Past and Future become abundant.
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Old 07-20-2009, 02:53 PM
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Lol, It isn't false, Hawkings idea is a hypothesis not a fact. I do not think time is finite, time is like space yes. Coupled with space to produce additional dimensions. Hawking's idea fits in with mine, however as stated time is the north pole, you can keep going around the world. Hence, a Past and Future become abundant.
You state categorically that "If time is finite, may as well throw Relativity out the window and Minkwoskis Space-time."

This is false.
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False. See Stephen Hawking's imaginary time. According to this idea, saying time has a beginning is like saying the North Pole is the beginning of the earth. Time, like space (according to the block-universe model, time is merely a form of space), may be finite but unbounded.
I was always under the impression that time, like space, began at the moment of the BB and did not exist prior to the BB.
I understand that some physicists now speculate that there are multiple universes but I'm pretty sure they are still only considered speculations, without any evidence.
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Statistical probability dictates that order will occationally be created from chaos. For example, 100 chimps banging on typewriter keys will eventually create the entire works of Shakespear (SIC) given an unlimited amount of time. It is a 100% certainty that this would eventually happen based upon the laws of probability. Of course along the way they would, by pure random chance, create literally trillions of logical sentences. All life required was one logical sentence to begin evolution.

The "Flat Earther" arguments are based upon complete ignorance.
1. There is not an "unlimited amount of time" available. So part of your initial premise is absurd.

2. But if your initial premise were not so absurd, i.e. if there were infinite time, the chimps would defecate on and otherwise destroy the typewriters in short order, but if they did not,

3. The chimps would have to manufacture paper and replace the sheets on the roll periodically, and even if they did that,

4. They would also have to replace the typewriter ribbons as well.

Now given these impossible qualifications, which of course you utterly failed to address properly:
1/50 x 1/50 x 1/50 x 1/50.... just 100 times is one chance in 10 to the 169th power. (We use 50 as a conservative approximation to the number of keys, disregarding case sensitivity, on a typewriter.)


To type a single line of 100 characters in length, a single line!, would take an average of 10 to the 169th tries, assuming the chimps could manufacture their own paper, and insert it, manufacture their own ribbons, and change them, and repair the typewriters which of course they would be only too eager to pound away at constantly, hour after hour, day after day.

Typing at 60 WPM is 5 characters per second. One hundred chimps typing constantly, without ever sleeping, for five billion years, would put out a scant 8 x 10 to the 19th words.


So if the universe were a few trillion times older than it happens to be, well, the very argument you pose is meaningless, utterly meaningless.

This 100 character line is just one sentence!
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Now given these impossible qualifications, which of course you utterly failed to address properly:
1/50 x 1/50 x 1/50 x 1/50.... just 100 times is one chance in 10 to the 169th power. (We use 50 as a conservative approximation to the number of keys, disregarding case sensitivity, on a typewriter.)


To type a single line of 100 characters in length, a single line!, would take an average of 10 to the 169th tries, assuming the chimps could manufacture their own paper, and insert it, manufacture their own ribbons, and change them, and repair the typewriters which of course they would be only too eager to pound away at constantly, hour after hour, day after day.

Typing at 60 WPM is 5 characters per second. One hundred chimps typing constantly, without ever sleeping, for five billion years, would put out a scant 8 x 10 to the 19th words.


So if the universe were a few trillion times older than it happens to be, well, the very argument you pose is meaningless, utterly meaningless.

This 100 character line is just one sentence!
You're the result of 1/100,000,000+ sperm cells. Both of your parents are also the result of that, as are their parents and so on. 1/1x10^8 x 1/1x10^8 x 1/1x10^8 x 1/1x10^8 x 1/1x10^8 x 1/1x10^8x 1/1x10^8 = 1/1x10^56, and that's just from your grandparents to you. So, obviously, you cannot exist, as the odds of it happening are so monstrously titanic if we go back just even two or three more generations.
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I have no idea. You didn't post any questions and I'm not gonna do your job by searching for them. Other than that:

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Yes indeed, God bless Darwin the racist.

Incidentally, since you evidently believe there is a "God," does that mean you are one of those "bible thumpers," one of the "fundies" who "believe in a flat earth," as the Anointed Class likes to characterize them?

Do you not, therefore, eschew all of science, as the Anointed Class says so often, so maliciously, and so very dishonestly?
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