Except that you're still wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obligate_anaerobe

They live in places completely devoid of oxygen, such as improperly pasteurized canned foods (leading to botulism), animal digestive tracts, deep sea ocean vents (as in, inside the vents, not surrounding them), deep in the soil, even in rocks.

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In retrospect, yeah, but it was early in the morning, so I wasn't thinking as straight as I should have been.

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"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

Oxygen kills anaerobes; we've provided evidence for our claim, you've provided bald assertions without any sort of evidence whatsoever. You still haven't provided a decent reason as to why we should listen to your questions if you don't even have a basic understanding of biology.

Concession accepted.

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"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

You're going to have to ask the moderator or clara what was said, or apply higher level of reason yourself.

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It's here. It's queer. It says it wants the government to license its private relationships.

That's not really a dig, it's more pointing out a logical conclusion based on observation.

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"Religion is considered by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." -- Lucius Annaeus Seneca (Seneca the Younger)

FreeWare's Law: As an online discussion with theists grows longer, the probability of starting a discussion of Einstein's religious views approaches 1.

I dare you to challenge my Brute!

This is hilarious. Saying most of what liberal blacks say is bigoted and irrational by making a bigotted statement about what liberal blacks say.

Translation: I have no evidence to provide whatsoever and am hiding behind righteous indignation.

Concession accepted. You have no legs to stand on and we can be free to ignore your 'questions' about evolution as you clearly have no interest in actual inquiry and are instead just interested in some crass attempt to lob a fusillade in the hopes of showing some gap that you hope will somehow kill evolution.

Too bad, so sad, that's been going on for 150 years and it has not worked even once. You're line of thinking is fading away like ideas of a flat earth, a global flood, and women being made from the ribs of men.

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"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

I once accepted Evolution. It's what I was taught. The Biblical account doesn't provide much meat (among other issues) and the rest of the Bible treats it as a moral lesson, such as when the Apostle Paul used the story of Adam and Eve to explain why women shouldn't usurp authority over a man. But, being a hardcore thinker, I just became dissatisfied with the pseudo-intellectual and juvenile behavior of Evolutionists. Evolution doesn't have much meat to it. As a free-thinker, I'm not bound to any dogma.

I knew I was inviting some more brain-dead responses by making the comparison of Evolutionist vs. science to liberal blacks vs. race issues comparison. But, I'm not owned by Political Correctness and it's a very accurate comparison. And, the more you yahoos open your mouths, the more I think, "Was I ever really that dense?"

I don't think you have a clue about what my comment about oxygen and life means, in spite of the context being clear. You're blinded by dogma.

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It's here. It's queer. It says it wants the government to license its private relationships.

Nothing but idiotic rhetoric = nothing to bring to the table. Keep braying away, Mr. Mandela.

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"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...bonucleotides/


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A fundamental but elusive step in the early evolution of life on Earth has been replicated in a laboratory.

Researchers synthesized the basic ingredients of RNA, a molecule from which the simplest self-replicating structures are made. Until now, they couldn’t explain how these ingredients might have formed.

“It’s like molecular choreography, where the molecules choreograph their own behavior,” said organic chemist John Sutherland of the University of Manchester, co-author of a study in Nature Wednesday.

RNA is now found in living cells, where it carries information between genes and protein-manufacturing cellular components. Scientists think RNA existed early in Earth’s history, providing a necessary intermediate platform between pre-biotic chemicals and DNA, its double-stranded, more-stable descendant.

However, though researchers have been able to show how RNA’s component molecules, called ribonucleotides, could assemble into RNA, their many attempts to synthesize these ribonucleotides have failed. No matter how they combined the ingredients — a sugar, a phosphate, and one of four different nitrogenous molecules, or nucleobases — ribonucleotides just wouldn’t form.

Sutherland’s team took a different approach in what Harvard molecular biologist Jack Szostak called a “synthetic tour de force” in an accompanying commentary in Nature.

“By changing the way we mix the ingredients together, we managed to make ribonucleotides,” said Sutherland. “The chemistry works very effectively from simple precursors, and the conditions required are not distinct from what one might imagine took place on the early Earth.”


Like other would-be nucleotide synthesizers, Sutherland’s team included phosphate in their mix, but rather than adding it to sugars and nucleobases, they started with an array of even simpler molecules that were probably also in Earth’s primordial ooze.

They mixed the molecules in water, heated the solution, then allowed it to evaporate, leaving behind a residue of hybrid, half-sugar, half-nucleobase molecules. To this residue they again added water, heated it, allowed it evaporate, and then irradiated it.

At each stage of the cycle, the resulting molecules were more complex. At the final stage, Sutherland’s team added phosphate. “Remarkably, it transformed into the ribonucleotide!” said Sutherland.

According to Sutherland, these laboratory conditions resembled those of the life-originating “warm little pond” hypothesized by Charles Darwin if the pond “evaporated, got heated, and then it rained and the sun shone.”

Such conditions are plausible, and Szostak imagined the ongoing cycle of evaporation, heating and condensation providing “a kind of organic snow which could accumulate as a reservoir of material ready for the next step in RNA synthesis.”

Intriguingly, the precursor molecules used by Sutherland’s team have been identified in interstellar dust clouds and on meteorites.

“Ribonucleotides are simply an expression of the fundamental principles of organic chemistry,” said Sutherland. “They’re doing it unwittingly. The instructions for them to do it are inherent in the structure of the precursor materials. And if they can self-assemble so easily, perhaps they shouldn’t be viewed as complicated.”

Another win for abiogenesis.

Here is another post in a different thread that speaks about how the first cells evolved from environment.

This is what the thread was about before everyone started to insult each other.

I hope bozo is still around he/she could learn something.