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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmatt View Post
    Didn't call it 'nothing' I don't even know what 'nothing' is.
    if yu believe the universe is expanding into 'nothing' then either you dont comprehend the science, math or the opinions of the people who are writing it...........


    either way.......... you're just ranting ron....flat wrong ron

    I wouldn't know what to call it.
    apparently

    Put your structured thinking aside tonight when you go to bed. Think about that 'dye and water analogy'.
    my structure is of integrity and actual research and work maintaining the honest approach and when discounted by folks who dont comprehend, i will react.

    like it or not.........

    if you wish to learn, ask questions but the globe over, when you read on the changes and 'paradigm shift' ............. it is I that has been turning over the old with the methodology and science of the future.

    no one gets the math until the right time


    The water being what the universe is expanding into, the dye being the expanding universe. Not displacing the water, but merging with the water. It may even account for that elusive gravity somehow.
    that is like the old aether analogy which is over 100 yrs old, dooood!
    Last edited by Bishadi; Apr 21 2011 at 05:56 AM.
    If existence only operates ONE way, is the math the name to know?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerkampfwagen View Post
    Nothing in science is considered proven, ever.

    The hope was that neutrinos would be able to explain away most of dark matter, but upon investigation it only removed a small amount of dark matter from the equation. This means that while some dark matter has been found, as in the energy and mass of neutrinos, most is still a mystery.
    Whihc means that maybe that large missing component of dark matter doesn't really exist and it my just be gavity behaving in unexpected ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmatt View Post
    Here's a hypothesis...it's all mine of course so it will be easily debunked. Say that the Big Bang (in some form) was an accurate theory. The universe is expanding or exploding outwards. (question) outwards into what exactly? What lies beyond the edge of the universe, that apparently was there prior to the Big Bang? That empty 'nothingness' that the universe is displacing as it expands. Could it be made up of 'dark matter? dark energy? Could it be the causation of gravity?
    Just to comment on the Big Bang. Did you know there is a photo image of the Big Bang, taken in recent years, over a period. You can still see the afterglow of the Big Bang and it is very clear that's what it is. Google for it and you'll see.

    Of course we are still moving away from the origin of the Big Bang, as is everything else.. You call what was where we are now and beyond "empty nothingness" and your writing indicates you are still thinking of a limit as far as space goes. There are many universes, we are but one and as all our planets are still moving things will change over time.

    SUch as the length of what we now call a day. As things move that will become a 12 hour period and so on.

    We are also gradually moving away from the Sun, and in time we will lose any benefits from it, light and heat. So far away it matters not to us today but sometime in the future it will be an issue providing we survive that long as a planet. Black holes are so numerous now you can't count them and they may our fate.

    Try reading "Death by black hole", a recent scientific book. Neil De Grasse I think was the author. I got a copy but it's well beyond my knowledge. He's a very amusing speaker, but a very dry writer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishadi View Post
    if yu believe the universe is expanding into 'nothing' then either you dont comprehend the science, math or the opinions of the people who are writing it...........


    either way.......... you're just ranting ron....flat wrong ron

    apparently



    my structure is of integrity and actual research and work maintaining the honest approach and when discounted by folks who dont comprehend, i will react.

    like it or not.........

    if you wish to learn, ask questions but the globe over, when you read on the changes and 'paradigm shift' ............. it is I that has been turning over the old with the methodology and science of the future.

    no one gets the math until the right time



    that is like the old aether analogy which is over 100 yrs old, dooood!
    Lighten up. I'm just throwing out ideas. No need to get your feathers riled up. I'm sure tha back in the day, when some guy brought up the notion of the Big Bang to his contemporaries that were certain that the universe was unquestionably 'steady state', their reply was "you're just ranting ....flat wrong". Then when the theory gained some ground...all the 'reference books', like the ones you quote and depend on, were thrown into the trash.
    Reductio ad absurdum (Latin: "reduction to the absurd") is a form of argument in which a proposition is disproven by following its implications logically to an absurd consequence.[1]

    A common species of reductio ad absurdum is proof by contradiction (also called indirect proof) where a proposition is proved true by proving that it is impossible for it to be false. For example, if A is false, then B is also false; but B is true, therefore A cannot be false and therefore A is true. In practice (outside of mathematics) such arguments are frequently premised on a false dichotomy making the ostensible proof a logical fallacy.

    The ontological argument for the existence of God, as it was originally stated by Anselm of Canterbury, is an example of reductio ad absurdum.[2]

    Another example concerns the following statement, attributed to physicist Niels Bohr: "The opposite of every great idea is another great idea." Carl Sagan used a reductio ad absurdum argument to counter this claim. If this statement is true, he argued, then it would certainly qualify as a great idea - it would automatically lead to a corresponding great idea for every great idea already in existence. But if the statement itself is a great idea, its opposite ("It is not true that the opposite of every great idea is another great idea", provided "opposite" is a synonym of "negation" in Bohr's aphorism) must also be a great idea. The original statement is disproven because it leads to an absurd conclusion: that an idea can be great regardless of whether it is true or false... etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmatt View Post
    Here's a hypothesis...it's all mine of course so it will be easily debunked. Say that the Big Bang (in some form) was an accurate theory. The universe is expanding or exploding outwards. (question) outwards into what exactly? What lies beyond the edge of the universe, that apparently was there prior to the Big Bang? That empty 'nothingness' that the universe is displacing as it expands. Could it be made up of 'dark matter? dark energy? Could it be the causation of gravity?
    Where did dark matter came from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFSmith@764 View Post
    Where did dark matter came from?
    Where did anything come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmatt View Post
    Where did anything come from?
    From God......He created all things. But I was wondering how those who do not believe that God exist would explain it.
    What passes for Christianity today is a cleverly disguised form of Satanism.....it’s a fulfillment of what Jesus said in Matthew 24:4-5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishadi View Post
    radio to gamma ; all light

    you just cant see it!


    ie...... no place in the whole of the universe without light (electromagnetic energy; light), except to the narrow minded someone
    Going to have to agree with you on that Bishadi, along with your thoughts about Gravity not being a "force" of nature.

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    Mebbe the good Lord sewed the universe together...

    Did the universe begin as a slender thread?
    April 22, 2011 - A new framework for the universe's formation suggests that it began as a single thready line, then evolved into a plane, and only then the three-dimensional space we now inhabit. This could simplify sticky cosmological questions, including dark matter and gravity waves.
    A universe expanding faster than it ought to be? What's up with that? To Dejan Stojkovic, the phenomenon astrophysicists discovered in 1998 and labeled "dark energy" may not be as complicated a puzzle as many scientists make it out to be. Instead, he suggests, it's the signal that a fourth dimension – beyond the height, width, and depth humans are geared to experience – has opened up in a universe that is adding physical dimensions as it evolves. This possible explanation for dark energy results from applying a new "framework" for looking at the evolution of the universe that he and colleagues have developed over the past two years. Working backwards in time, the concept also implies that the universe did not begin its existence in a three-dimensional form, but as a one-dimensional structure that added dimensions as it evolved.

    Some support for this may be found in high-energy cosmic rays, according to Dr. Stojkovic, a physicist at the State University of New York at Buffalo, who along with colleagues first proposed the idea last year. In a paper published recently in Physics Review Letters, Stojkcovic and colleague Jonas Mureika of Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles write that further tests of the framework's validity could come from the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva as well as from planned space missions to detect gravity waves thought to be rippling through the cosmos.

    If he and his colleagues are correct, Stojkovic says, their work could help break a 30-year logjam in efforts to demonstrate that the four fundamental forces in nature – electromagnetism, the weak force (governing radioactive decay), the strong force (binding atomic nuclei), and gravity – are low-energy relics of one unified force that briefly held sway over the cosmos during the first, tiniest fractions of a second after the big bang. The big bang is a sudden release of an enormous amount of energy that physicists and cosmologists credit with giving birth to the universe some 13.8 billion years ago.

    Gravity remains the stubborn hold-out in this grand-unification effort. It's the only one of the four forces that has defied an explanation within the so-called standard model of physics. As the decades have passed, many researchers have developed ever more complicated ideas to fit gravity into the quantum-physics world inhabited by the rest of the forces and their associated subatomic particles. Scientists' calculations suggest that the solution may lie in "new physics" – beyond the standard model. Stojkovic is part of a subgroup of physicists collectively tapping their "new physics" colleagues on the shoulder and saying: The solution many not require new physics at all, but merely a new way of looking at the standard model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasuss View Post
    Just to comment on the Big Bang. Did you know there is a photo image of the Big Bang, taken in recent years, over a period. You can still see the afterglow of the Big Bang and it is very clear that's what it is. Google for it and you'll see.
    picture of BB?

    after glow?

    that is like smelling the stink of a fart

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_...ound_radiation

    a nobble was given for that accident and speculation too



    Of course we are still moving away from the origin of the Big Bang, as is everything else.. You call what was where we are now and beyond "empty nothingness" and your writing indicates you are still thinking of a limit as far as space goes. There are many universes, we are but one and as all our planets are still moving things will change over time.

    SUch as the length of what we now call a day. As things move that will become a 12 hour period and so on.

    We are also gradually moving away from the Sun, and in time we will lose any benefits from it, light and heat. So far away it matters not to us today but sometime in the future it will be an issue providing we survive that long as a planet. Black holes are so numerous now you can't count them and they may our fate.

    Try reading "Death by black hole", a recent scientific book. Neil De Grasse I think was the author. I got a copy but it's well beyond my knowledge. He's a very amusing speaker, but a very dry writer.
    if any here really understood calculus and newtons second law; if all came from one single point and blew out in a vector from that point, no mass would have ever slowed to combine into a single planet.
    If existence only operates ONE way, is the math the name to know?

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