Thread: The Simulation Argument.

Originally Posted by oldjar07

Bad grammar isn't the grammar. The reason you and I can not understand him is he spews (*)(*)(*)(*) out and doesn't know what he is talking about.

ok, so let's try English;

the second law of thermodynamics incorporated into Planck constant (1901 pub, distribution of energy) was/is the rube of today's physics.

To maintain the use as a biased adherance is why "walking the Planck" is moronic.

If you don't comprehend that then it is you and the clown(s) that are ignorant and don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Ie.... It is like you guys believing the world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth. Meaning; you are right now on the ground floor of a paradigm shift and either you have the balls to check yourself and your beliefs or you don't.

But I have more math and evidence under my belt then perhaps you are giving credit for and your rants are basically because I contest both the 2lot and Planck which in itself completely reduces the current paradigm to garbage.

First fact; there is no such thing as a perfectly closed system (perfect vacuum) between any 2 points of mass.

So either you have the integrity to be honest with yourself or you don't. Neither way knowledge will evolve with or without the clowns.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

ok, so let's try English;

the second law of thermodynamics incorporated into Planck constant (1901 pub, distribution of energy) was/is the rube of today's physics.

To maintain the use as a biased adherance is why "walking the Planck" is moronic.

If you don't comprehend that then it is you and the clown(s) that are ignorant and don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Ie.... It is like you guys believing the world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth. Meaning; you are right now on the ground floor of a paradigm shift and either you have the balls to check yourself and your beliefs or you don't.

But I have more math and evidence under my belt then perhaps you are giving credit for and your rants are basically because I contest both the 2lot and Planck which in itself completely reduces the current paradigm to garbage.

First fact; there is no such thing as a perfectly closed system (perfect vacuum) between any 2 points of mass.

So either you have the integrity to be honest with yourself or you don't. Neither way knowledge will evolve with or without the clowns.

LMFAO... it's like an obese person walking into a treatment center for the anorexic claiming they are the skinniest person there. If anything I get out of you Bishadi is a good laugh here and there, thanks btw.

Yep still made no sense whatsoever. Terrible grammar and no paragraphs.

Problem?

OHH and btw.

What math?

problem?

Originally Posted by Anarcho-Technocrat

LMFAO... it's like an obese person walking into a treatment center for the anorexic claiming they are the skinniest person there. If anything I get out of you Bishadi is a good laugh here and there, thanks btw.

Yep still made no sense whatsoever. Terrible grammar and no paragraphs.

Problem?

idiots are all over the place

So everyone should have something to eat

Originally Posted by Anarcho-Technocrat

OHH and btw.

What math?

problem?

if the monkeys dont comprehend why hot coffee goes cold and just says 'because' i aint teaching them how to isolate/collect u235 with electromagnetism

Garbage in garbage out, computer models are only as good as the guys writing them. The most powerful super ever created or ever will be created cannot model a system correctly if the programmers assumptions about that system are false.

A comptuer is an increadiby fast and phenomenally accurate moron.

Originally Posted by Windigo

Garbage in garbage out, computer models are only as good as the guys writing them.

While I'm reasonably sure that what the OP suggests is not possible, because everything known suggests that such accuracy in a simulation is physically impossible, what you say is manifestly untrue.

Genetic algorithms have already been employed to solve problems that humans did not know the answers to. Indeed that is the whole point of the practical application of genetic algorithms, to get quicker and/or better answers to questions where the answers are not yet known.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

if the monkeys dont comprehend why hot coffee goes cold and just says 'because' i aint teaching them how to isolate/collect u235 with electromagnetism

I don't see any math.
problem?

Originally Posted by kmisho

While I'm reasonably sure that what the OP suggests is not possible, because everything known suggests that such accuracy in a simulation is physically impossible, what you say is manifestly untrue.

Genetic algorithms have already been employed to solve problems that humans did not know the answers to. Indeed that is the whole point of the practical application of genetic algorithms, to get quicker and/or better answers to questions where the answers are not yet known.

I wouldn't say that its not known, its just that man didn't have the time to run all the numbers. The computer isn't doing anything that a person cant do. Its just doing what the person would do faster and more accurately. But it is only doing what it is told and it will never have an epiphany of a better way to do it.

I do not believe we can hack the program we live in. We are still not able to send a rocket to some other galaxy, we can't think of something and make it appear out of thin air, we can't lift of like superman or breath under water etc..

On the other hand it is likely that one day humans can make their own simulation programs where everyone can live their private ideal life, i mean people would just work in this program and live their life in the other.
i think we gonna be able to plug ourselves into a computer we might have to pay people in this program to program the items etc.. we need in ow'r own program.

The program we live in now is ower reality, we can't hack it, we are bound to the rules of the program we die, get sick, hurt, etc... we can't fly we grow old etc.... If this program is a private program of sombody else i haven't seen the proof of it or maby i can't,

It could be that sombody wanted a program like this where this person can be rich, famous, a singer etc... or some pervert that uses this program for personal gain, a tool for his own pleasure, but it's hard to tell you could say that the people throwout histery and today are characters for potential buyers,

I wanne be hugh Hefner, i wanne be that miljonaire, i wanne be tiger woods, Rihanna or some other character etc... Napoleon might be a character created for sombody that wanted to coquer the world etc... all for personal thrill,
But that's all a little far fetched,

There is also the lose data argument, maby programs aren't created by programmers but by the matrix itself, like the internet, i mean if you have an empty computer with no programs on it, no virus scanner etc... and you plug it into the internet you're computer is gonna be infested with all kinds off programs, viruses, worms, spam even harmfull programs will nest or try to use up as much memory space as possible,

this world isn't the ideal world but maby it was programmed not to be the ideal world because people are intelligent they would have figered out the program they lived in was to good to make sense, i mean no hunger, no suffering, no polution i mean nobody would buy into that program, this program is made this way to be more realistic for the characters who live in it.

I don't know the anser but i have to agree that one day we will be able to built simulations ourselves that are impossible to seperate from reality when pluged in, maby that's a good thing, if we just work 8 to 12 hours a day and spend the rest of the day pluged in living our dream wold this world might be a more peacefull place, religous people can have their own whahalla, people that wanne life in ancient egypt can do that to, i don't see why anyone would be unhappy with this it sound great, on the other hand it can also be cruel,

If you look at GTA games most of the time you killing people with you're character, stealing cars, the gamers find it fun to play i can imagen some serial killer wanne build his own reality where he can rape, murder and torter, all day, or the sex addicted make a program where he is rich and uses the program for his sick and twisted mind if a program is built there is a come to mind so to say,

in the GTA game when playing you can still see it's all grafics, the characters don't look real it's not convincing enough but i mean if the computing power was so great and the feeling of the character you shot can't be separated from a man being shot in real day life it will be difficult for the mental health of people,

Or a less extreme example, you go to work in this program here you have no partner, no family you live in a small appartemt only a few friend and when you plug into the program at home after work you have this beautifull pregant wife you love with all you're hart and a dog, there it mental conflict deep inside you know they are not real that you bought this experience, they think it's real you don't wanne mess it up and say you not real prove it and let them deal with it, what if they terminate themeleves or they can't die and come to knowledge they are slaves for what it is you want.

all reply's are welcome,