Positive effects of Global Warming?

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Originally Posted by l4zarus

While this is broadly true, application of research and critical thinking skills will weed out the reliable sources from the unreliable ones.

The real question comes when there is overwhelming reliable information proving X, but because of personal bias, one is motivated to surf the Internet for any scrap of data, no matter how dubious, to cling to a discredited idea.

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Just because a subject is not #1 on the Google list does not mean it is irrelevant. It just means that it has been popularized by the media and/or pushed up by manipulation.

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Originally Posted by RPA1

Just because a subject is not #1 on the Google list does not mean it is irrelevant. It just means that it has been popularized by the media and/or pushed up by manipulation.

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I think you need to reread my comment:

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The real question comes when there is overwhelming reliable information proving X, but because of personal bias, one is motivated to surf the Internet for any scrap of data, no matter how dubious, to cling to a discredited idea.

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This describes climate change deniers far more accurately than the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Gaar

Starting a wildfire is a crime?

Who are you going to charge, Mother Nature?

You understand that most wildfires are started by lightning, right?

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Being an idiot is not a crime.

go start a wildfire.

video yourself starting the fire and post it to You-Tube.

Find out for yourself.

Most flash floods are caused by rain but that doesn't make it smart or legal to destroy a dam.

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Originally Posted by Gaar

As the Science points out, water vapor is many times more powerful in the Greenhouse System than CO2, so no, it is not a "net positive" as you are trying to say....

Also, CO2 HELPS grow these massive amounts of food we need, and is NOT a "pollutant" as your side is attempting to say it is. It is actually something that is needed in our ecological system to grow healthy plants, as you just pointed out yourself.

Thank you for making my point for me.

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Science points out that the amount of water vapor in the air is directly proportional to the air temperature. The higher the temperature the more water vapor will be in the air.

That's why, Mr Science, when it is very cold outside the humidity is generally lower.

I never said CO2 was a pollutant. I said TOO much CO2 in the atmosphere contributes significantly to global warming. O2 and H2O are not "pollutants" either but too much of either will kill you.

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Originally Posted by l4zarus

I think you need to reread my comment:




This describes climate change deniers far more accurately than the rest of us.

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GW skeptics are routinely ignored by the GW/AGW believers. GW is an established industry based on an unproven hypothesis. My point is that one does have to search for skeptical data and just because one has to search does not mean skeptical data is irrelevant. BTW there is no such thing as a 'denier' that is a made-up term.

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Originally Posted by dadoalex

Science points out that the amount of water vapor in the air is directly proportional to the air temperature. The higher the temperature the more water vapor will be in the air.

That's why, Mr Science, when it is very cold outside the humidity is generally lower.

I never said CO2 was a pollutant. I said TOO much CO2 in the atmosphere contributes significantly to global warming. O2 and H2O are not "pollutants" either but too much of either will kill you.

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If higher temperatures mean more water vapor in the atmosphere then, at some point, the density of that water vapor forms clouds which block the sun. Sooner or later, water droplets are formed which increase humidity and lower temperatures. It's a cycle "Mr Science."

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Originally Posted by dadoalex

I never said CO2 was a pollutant. I said TOO much CO2 in the atmosphere contributes significantly to global warming. O2 and H2O are not "pollutants" either but too much of either will kill you.

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Really?

Then please explain the following...

http://jennifermarohasy.com/2008/10/...fessor-plimer/

The history of CO2 and temperature shows that there is no correlation.

Ask your local warmer:

1. Why was CO2 15 times higher than now in the Ordovician-Silurian glaciation?

2. Why were both methane and CO2 higher than now in the Permian glaciation?

3. Why was CO2 5 times higher than now in the Cretaceous-Jurassic glaciation?

The process of removing CO2 from the atmosphere via the oceans has led to carbonate deposition (i.e. CO2 sequestration).

The atmosphere once had at least 25 times the current CO2 content, we are living at a time when CO2 is the lowest it has been for billions of years, we continue to remove CO2 via carbonate sedimentation from the oceans and the oceans continue to be buffered by water-rock reactions (as shown by Walker et al. 1981).

The literature on this subject is large yet the warmers chose to ignore this literature.

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Originally Posted by RPA1

If higher temperatures mean more water vapor in the atmosphere then, at some point, the density of that water vapor forms clouds which block the sun. Sooner or later, water droplets are formed which increase humidity and lower temperatures. It's a cycle "Mr Science."

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Wrong cycle.

Much of the sunlight that reaches the earth is reflected back to space by the surface, oceans and particularly the polar ice caps. Additional CO2 causes some of that reflected energy to be absorbed in the atmosphere raising atmospheric temperatures. As more and more CO2 and other greenhouse gasses are pumped into the atmosphere the planet slowly loses the ability to reflect heat back into space. As atmospheric temperatures rise the evaporation of water adds to the cloud cover but the cloud cover acts to retain heat rather than reflect it and the temperature continues to rise despite increasing storms. The increased cloud cover does, however, cause massive deforestation as lack of sunlight stops the photosynthesis process. The lack of vegetation denies animals at all levels of the food chain and the global starvation of all large animals begins. As food stocks dwindle and more large animals starve insects and the surface becomes dominated by insects and small rodents. As plants die off the absorption of CO2 and production of O2 slows hastening the heating process and the killing of all sentient life. Eventually the atmosphere becomes little more than steam and....

We become Venus.

that's the cycle you're trying to create.

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Originally Posted by Gaar

Really?

Then please explain the following...

http://jennifermarohasy.com/2008/10/...fessor-plimer/

The history of CO2 and temperature shows that there is no correlation.

Ask your local warmer:

1. Why was CO2 15 times higher than now in the Ordovician-Silurian glaciation?

2. Why were both methane and CO2 higher than now in the Permian glaciation?

3. Why was CO2 5 times higher than now in the Cretaceous-Jurassic glaciation?

The process of removing CO2 from the atmosphere via the oceans has led to carbonate deposition (i.e. CO2 sequestration).

The atmosphere once had at least 25 times the current CO2 content, we are living at a time when CO2 is the lowest it has been for billions of years, we continue to remove CO2 via carbonate sedimentation from the oceans and the oceans continue to be buffered by water-rock reactions (as shown by Walker et al. 1981).

The literature on this subject is large yet the warmers chose to ignore this literature.

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Just FYI....

A blog is not a peer reviewed paper.

There. Now don't you feel smarter already?

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Originally Posted by dadoalex

...As atmospheric temperatures rise the evaporation of water adds to the cloud cover but the cloud cover acts to retain heat rather than reflect it and the temperature continues to rise despite increasing storms.

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From NASA...

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Clouds/

The study of clouds, where they occur, and their characteristics, play a key role in the understanding of climate change. Low, thick clouds primarily reflect solar radiation and cool the surface of the Earth. High, thin clouds primarily transmit incoming solar radiation; at the same time, they trap some of the outgoing infrared radiation emitted by the Earth and radiate it back downward, thereby warming the surface of the Earth. Whether a given cloud will heat or cool the surface depends on several factors, including the cloud's altitude, its size, and the make-up of the particles that form the cloud. The balance between the cooling and warming actions of clouds is very close although, overall, averaging the effects of all the clouds around the globe, cooling predominates...