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Old 10-23-2005, 07:27 PM
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We all know the story of what has happened in Iraq. We are in what amounts to an unwinnable war, we have violated the Geneva Convention, have committed atrocities ourselves (Abu Ghraib) and we have done it all based on a phony theory about weapons of mass destruction. All of this, of course, has increased the number of Al-Qaeda recruits.
Many solutions have been offered, but I believe that this is the correct one. First, we have to remember that Iraq was doomed to division from the start, since it was an artificial construct of the British. That leads to the first step we need to take. We must meet with moderate leaders of the Shiites, the Sunnis and the Kurds and create three separate nations. Providing humanitarian aid to refugees and preventing violence along the new borders during the process would then be our major responsibility. We should begin to withdraw our troops after the agreement is made, bringing home 10% percent of them each month for 10 months. Any comments?
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The people need to be consulted, not just the moderate leaders. That includes the angry and the extremists.
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I think that the people need to be protected from the extremists. Most extremists wouldn't even talk with the U.S. anyway. My plan is to undermine the recruitment capabilities of extremist groups by giving Iraq its natural borders and withdrawing our military.
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But they cannot be ignored. Their demands should not be met, but they should be spoken to in order to dissuade them, to get them to disband, to find out what they are so angry about and to make sure that no-one else becomes as angry, or all of the above.
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They are mainly angry at our presence (which would be solved by my withdrawal plan) and at one another (which would be solved by my three nation plan).
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We all know the story of what has happened in Iraq. We are in what amounts to an unwinnable war, we have violated the Geneva Convention, have committed atrocities ourselves (Abu Ghraib) and we have done it all based on a phony theory about weapons of mass destruction. All of this, of course, has increased the number of Al-Qaeda recruits.
Many solutions have been offered, but I believe that this is the correct one. First, we have to remember that Iraq was doomed to division from the start, since it was an artificial construct of the British. That leads to the first step we need to take. We must meet with moderate leaders of the Shiites, the Sunnis and the Kurds and create three separate nations. Providing humanitarian aid to refugees and preventing violence along the new borders during the process would then be our major responsibility. We should begin to withdraw our troops after the agreement is made, bringing home 10% percent of them each month for 10 months. Any comments?
How was it a phony theory. Bush said there was WMD based on the intelligience provided. Everyone knows intelligience is not 100% fact, so the theory was sound. Given Saddam was hiding all sorts of things, I wasn't surprised the U.S. invaded. Obviously in the end the intelligience was fudged, but the theory is still the same and theres nothing phony about it.

I don't think we can assume there is more Al-Qaeda recruits just because we see more terrorism on TV.

It is quite frankly ridiculous to break up Iraq. Obviously it is a divided country, but thats why its a Federal State. Obviously when a federal parliamentary democracy is created out of thin air theres going to be problems, but like any other parliamentary democracy, they will figure out how to work together eventually.

Once the appropriate number of Iraq police and soldiers are trained, it would be easy for the U.S. to withdraw switfly. I don't know how many Iraq police and soldiers need to be trained, but the U.S. should keep enough soldiers their until that task is done.
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