"Accomodation"

DuH2 · #1 (**permalink**) 03-04-2007, 06:07 PM

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Those who would trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state have told us they have a utopian solution of peace without victory. They call their policy "accommodation." And they say if we'll only avoid any direct confrontation with the enemy, he'll forget his evil ways and learn to love us. All who oppose them are indicted as warmongers. They say we offer simple answers to complex problems. Well, perhaps there is a simple answer -- not an easy answer -- but simple: If you and I have the courage to tell our elected officials that we want our national policy based on what we know in our hearts is morally right.

We cannot buy our security, our freedom from the threat of the bomb by committing an immorality so great as saying to a billion human beings now enslaved behind the Iron Curtain, "Give up your dreams of freedom because to save our own skins, we're willing to make a deal with your slave masters." Alexander Hamilton said, "A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one." Now let's set the record straight. There's no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there's only one guaranteed way you can have peace -- and you can have it in the next second -- surrender.

Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face -- that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand -- the ultimatum. And what then -- when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we're retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he's heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he'd rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us.

You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin -- just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard 'round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn't die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well it's a simple answer after all.

You and I have the courage to say to our enemies, "There is a price we will not pay." "There is a point beyond which they must not advance." And this -- this is the meaning in the phrase of Barry Goldwater's "peace through strength." Winston Churchill said, "The destiny of man is not measured by material computations. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we're spirits -- not animals." And he said, "There's something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."

http://www.millercenter.virginia.edu...64_1027_reagan

We cannot buy our security, our freedom from the threat of the bomb by committing an immorality so great as saying to a billion human beings now enslaved behind the Iron Curtain, "Give up your dreams of freedom because to save our own skins, we're willing to make a deal with your slave masters."

Change "behind the Iron Curtain" to "by the ideals of al Qaeda"

Pooky · #2 (**permalink**) 03-04-2007, 07:03 PM

Perhaps by his standards I am not a liberal then. Or at least not a standard one. I believe in pacifism, but I do not believe in appeasement. If they're going to kill me, let them come. I will accept every blow they deal to me, and when I fall down, I'll get back up and let them do it to me again. They can do it all they want, they can torture me all they want, but I'll never give in and betray my deepest belief. I'll be fine because I know the thing about evil is it always will eventually fail.

savage-republican · #3 (**permalink**) 03-04-2007, 08:56 PM

Yea I could just see the whole country saying come get us, we will not fight you, If maybe you had a brain you would understand what Reagen said, but unfortunately you are one of the many who lives in a make believe world. Pacifism is for the weak minded it is a way to give up and surrender rather than stand up for ones rights. If Abraham Lincoln had your political will for war the blacks would still be slaves, If George Washington had your political will for war we would not be a sovereign nation. To be a pacifist is to let someone else make your decisions, you are weak minded.

My favorite quote is, I reject your reality and substitute it with my own. apparently you live in an alternate reality. I am however happy to go to war for you and fight for your right to be a pacifist. That is what sets us apart, I am willing to sacrifice for you, you are not willing to sacrifice for me. If we would think about our fellow Americans before ourselves, this country would be far better.

DuH2 · #4 (**permalink**) 03-04-2007, 08:57 PM

When an opponent declares, "I will not come over to your side," I calmly say, "Your child belongs to us already... What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.

Hard-Driver · #5 (**permalink**) 03-05-2007, 08:37 AM

How did that Vietnam war work out then. Hmmmm... 38,000 American lives sacraficed to achieve nothing. But I see you are still argueing for that war too.

When will the war mongers figure out that war is a last resort to defend freedom, not as a nation-building tool to attempt to impose our viewpoints on others. IF the people we are "defending" don't overwhelmingly want us there, then we should no be there.

Ixtellor · #6 (**permalink**) 03-05-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by savage-republican";p=&quot

Yea I could just see the whole country saying come get us, we will not fight you, If maybe you had a brain you would understand what Reagen said, but unfortunately you are one of the many who lives in a make believe world. Pacifism is for the weak minded it is a way to give up and surrender rather than stand up for ones rights. If Abraham Lincoln had your political will for war the blacks would still be slaves, If George Washington had your political will for war we would not be a sovereign nation. To be a pacifist is to let someone else make your decisions, you are weak minded.

My favorite quote is, I reject your reality and substitute it with my own. apparently you live in an alternate reality. I am however happy to go to war for you and fight for your right to be a pacifist. That is what sets us apart, I am willing to sacrifice for you, you are not willing to sacrifice for me. If we would think about our fellow Americans before ourselves, this country would be far better.

So you hate Jesus?
I thought what he had to say was kind of inspiring, but I guess according to you he was just a weak minded fool.

Ixtellor

P.S. Other people who hated pacifism: Hitler, Stalin, Mao...

savage-republican · #7 (**permalink**) 03-05-2007, 09:58 AM

Jesus was a pacifist? I think what he said was choose your battles well. He did not say to not fight but rather to love your fellow man, but also you must stand up for what and who you are.
As Reagan said of the Commie's trust but verify. I would much rather have an army willing to die than a pacifist at the gate.

DuH2 · #8 (**permalink**) 03-05-2007, 03:24 PM

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When will the war mongers figure out that war is a last resort to defend freedom, not as a nation-building tool to attempt to impose our viewpoints on others.

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They call their policy "accommodation." And they say if we'll only avoid any direct confrontation with the enemy, he'll forget his evil ways and learn to love us. All who oppose them are indicted as warmongers. They say we offer simple answers to complex problems

DuH2 · #9 (**permalink**) 03-05-2007, 03:34 PM

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So you hate Jesus?

Luke Ch 22 vs 35-38
35 Then Jesus asked his disciples, “When I sent you out that time without purse, bag, or shoes, did you lack anything?” “Not a thing,” they answered.

36 “But now,” Jesus said, “whoever has a purse or a bag must take it; and whoever has no sword must sell his coat and buy one.

37 For I tell you that the scripture which says, ‘He shared the fate of criminals,’ must come true about me, because what was written about me is coming true.”

38 The disciples said, “Look! Here are two swords, Lord!” “That is enough!” he replied.

Jesus when he was taken to what ended in his crucification healed Malchus whose ear had been cut off by Peter.

Didn't mention that in the lil red book?
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