Originally Posted by Justinian";p=&quot

Now comes the part where we hit gray murky waters where there isn't a sound reason but only opinions and predictions. Everybody knows Bush has invested everything into the Iraq campaign. Now, you point out that we had enough troops in the beginning because we destroyed Saddam's military. Only morons would disagree with that. However, Bush did not appreciate the fact of the unpredictable future and thought the occupation would go more smoothly than it has. But the point is when I was keeping up with the Iraq campaign in the beginning and we had almost all of the country in our hands, I already thought to myself, 'We need more soldiers'. The troop numbers the army was mustering for offensives was pathetic. Our stationary duties had crippled our manpower in the field. Complications started to occur and new enemies appeared which the army is still struggling to handle. It should definately be the course of action to train the Iraqis and get them on those posts and in those forts but our army is not capable of responding to other threats right now at all.

The real foggy area comes from your opinion that the nation failed Bush. I completely understand your opinion and I was almost going to agree with you. But I don't think it's Bushes or the public's fault. It's the country's fault. My opinion is that this country has been attacked internally for so long, its inner strength, its unity is now destroyed if not severely compromised. The core structure of values, traditions, integrity has eroded so much people don't care anymore and don't believe in America. Some people don't even believe in countries for Christ's sake, today. There in I believe is why only a hand-ful of people (myself included) joined the military after 9/11. People have stopped believing and don't care anymore. We have failed ourselves by perverting this nation to the edge. That's the way I see it anyway.l

Originally Posted by DuH2";p=&quot

Mainly becasue the "failures" are ill defined and simplistic BUT mostimportanly becaseu your bamign him for your own failings..by "your" I mean the general crowd of people you represent in its widest personification(not simply the Far Left)

Its not your guys fault it Bush's fault..
Thats absurd.
Bush is not at fault for your unwillginness to stick it out. Bush has been one of the most stalwart focused leaders in this entire thing. He has barely wavered in his language and not at all in his commitment to stand besides the Iraqis come hell or high water.

If anything you failed him.

Originally Posted by exigent";p=&quot

y not?