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Old 03-29-2007, 05:07 AM
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Strikes on Baghdad's Green Zone on the Rise
On 6 of Past 7 Days, Rockets or Shells Have Hit Sector That Includes U.S. Embassy

By Karin Brulliard and Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 29, 2007; Page A15

BAGHDAD, March 29 -- Iraqi insurgents are increasingly hitting Baghdad's fortresslike Green Zone with rockets and mortar shells, officials said Wednesday.

Insurgents have struck inside the Green Zone, which includes the U.S. Embassy, on six of the past seven days, once with deadly consequences. A U.S. soldier and a U.S. government contractor were killed Tuesday night by a rocket attack that also seriously wounded a civilian, military and embassy officials said. One soldier and at least three other civilians received minor injuries, U.S. Embassy spokesman Lou Fintor said.



A U.S. helicopter flies over the Green Zone, where a rocket attack killed a U.S. soldier and a contractor Tuesday. (By Wathiq Khuzaie -- Getty Images)


The attack stunned a workforce normally blase about Baghdad's habitual wartime booms and blasts.

A State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity, also said, "There are increasing attacks on the embassy
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Attacks up on the green sector, increases use of mortars and missiles and yet we still hear from the right that the surge is working? Shoot Bush is now quoting blogs to try and bolster his case....what a joke.

I say it again. If you have to send more troops then send enough to matter...if you do not have the cajones to do so then bring them all home as you're just using them as cannon fodder otherwise.

Of course, we will not see that from the rightwing as they worry more about the politcal fallout of calls for actual numbers of troops that would make a difference rather then worrying about leaving the troops without enough support to hold the lands they die for and protect the areas they already hold.
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Old 03-29-2007, 05:47 AM
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Strikes on Baghdad's Green Zone on the Rise
On 6 of Past 7 Days, Rockets or Shells Have Hit Sector That Includes U.S. Embassy

By Karin Brulliard and Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 29, 2007; Page A15

BAGHDAD, March 29 -- Iraqi insurgents are increasingly hitting Baghdad's fortresslike Green Zone with rockets and mortar shells, officials said Wednesday.

Insurgents have struck inside the Green Zone, which includes the U.S. Embassy, on six of the past seven days, once with deadly consequences. A U.S. soldier and a U.S. government contractor were killed Tuesday night by a rocket attack that also seriously wounded a civilian, military and embassy officials said. One soldier and at least three other civilians received minor injuries, U.S. Embassy spokesman Lou Fintor said.



A U.S. helicopter flies over the Green Zone, where a rocket attack killed a U.S. soldier and a contractor Tuesday. (By Wathiq Khuzaie -- Getty Images)


The attack stunned a workforce normally blase about Baghdad's habitual wartime booms and blasts.

A State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity, also said, "There are increasing attacks on the embassy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...al&reload=true


Attacks up on the green sector, increases use of mortars and missiles and yet we still hear from the right that the surge is working? Shoot Bush is now quoting blogs to try and bolster his case....what a joke.

I say it again. If you have to send more troops then send enough to matter...if you do not have the cajones to do so then bring them all home as you're just using them as cannon fodder otherwise.

Of course, we will not see that from the rightwing as they worry more about the politcal fallout of calls for actual numbers of troops that would make a difference rather then worrying about leaving the troops without enough support to hold the lands they die for and protect the areas they already hold.
As much as I hate bush, you cant make any judgements yet, since the bulk of the surge hasnt yet arrived to Iraq. They changed their 'strategery' and the new incoming troops are executing his 'plan'...so we'll see.

I do subscribe to the model that the longer we are there, the worse it's gonna get. Osama pledged to bankrupt our country and well...if we invade Iran, then we'll be on two fronts, fully funded by foreign money.
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...and the liberal plan is what?..........

"let's all go home and pretend it's all over?"
"Those animal-arabs won't bother the USA anymore?"

I'm embarassed with the Left in Congress - the whole world knows them as anti-war, cut and run spineless blue-bloods with a condescending attitude towards anyone who favors freedom.

I fear the day if the Left actually gets some power in our government as it will surely mark the beginning of the end of safety for all Americans.

Just read the above remarks: Condescending. No respect for the elected leader of our country. No respect for our fighting men and women. Mad at the world. Irritated with this whole war thing.
These are the people who refuse to fund the troops unless their agenda is included too. If not included, well, screw the whole thing then. They aint gettin nothin. (crosses arms and sticks out chin)
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I don't see a surge doing much good. What causes me to slap my forehead is why the Crats are so set on phased withdrawals (well, I know why- it's to look like they care about getting us out). What they should be doing is pushing for a scheduled strategic plan.
"Step-down as they step-up" is a policy that begs for an eternity in Iraq. We need to switch to a "step-down as they step-up". But phased withdrawal is not the way to do this. What is necessary is a set of SPECIFIC goals and DEADLINES for when they are to be achieved. There should be a price for the Iraqi government for not meeting with deadlines (or, more likely, an incentive to meet the deadlines).
This would force a couple things: First we outline EXACTLY what the victory conditions are- no more vague catchphrase goals... The administration better spell it out!
Secondly it would show that the pressure is on. While maybe we will not leave them high and dry in worst-case scenario, we must show that we are not planning to stick around forever. We want Iraq to take care of itself.
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First we outline EXACTLY what the victory conditions are- no more vague catchphrase goals... The administration better spell it out!
Hey good question!

The neocoon's StayduhCourseNoRetreatNoSurrender for victory conditions isn't cutting it.
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...and the liberal plan is what?..........

"let's all go home and pretend it's all over?"
"Those animal-arabs won't bother the USA anymore?"

I'm embarassed with the Left in Congress - the whole world knows them as anti-war, cut and run spineless blue-bloods with a condescending attitude towards anyone who favors freedom.

I fear the day if the Left actually gets some power in our government as it will surely mark the beginning of the end of safety for all Americans.

Just read the above remarks: Condescending. No respect for the elected leader of our country. No respect for our fighting men and women. Mad at the world. Irritated with this whole war thing.
These are the people who refuse to fund the troops unless their agenda is included too. If not included, well, screw the whole thing then. They aint gettin nothin. (crosses arms and sticks out chin)
I don't know if teds drunk but you must be to repeat that BS "Dems have no plan" mantra that lost you the election. Go to google look up democrats + Iraq plan and then check out Murtha's, Bidens and a slew of others.

Same goes for the "funding" spin you all toss off like 12 year old who just discovered masturbation! THe dems are sending MORE funding then bushie boy asked for....you problem is you're anti-accountability. IN fact, that seems to be the rightwings problem...well that and the fact that they spend more money then democrats ever have!
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...and the liberal plan is what?..........

"let's all go home and pretend it's all over?"
"Those animal-arabs won't bother the USA anymore?"
Ha, like it These so called liberals need all the home truths they can get right now.
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If you go and look up on google democrats and iraq war plan you will see plenty of them be it bidens, murthas or some other democrats the plans exist....to say that they don't is to lie but I am sure that is not your intention.
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Same goes for the "funding" spin you all toss off like 12 year old who just discovered masturbation! THe dems are sending MORE funding then bushie boy asked for....you problem is you're anti-accountability. IN fact, that seems to be the rightwings problem...well that and the fact that they spend more money then democrats ever have!
The spin is saying "the dems are funding more than Bush asked for." Bush didn't ask for money for spinach growers, livestock assistance or any of the other crapola the dems put in their plan.
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Same goes for the "funding" spin you all toss off like 12 year old who just discovered masturbation! THe dems are sending MORE funding then bushie boy asked for....you problem is you're anti-accountability. IN fact, that seems to be the rightwings problem...well that and the fact that they spend more money then democrats ever have!
The spin is saying "the dems are funding more than Bush asked for." Bush didn't ask for money for spinach growers, livestock assistance or any of the other crapola the dems put in their plan.
Like I said...we learned from the pork-masters. But this IMO doesnt qualify as pork since it mostly does not appease the constituents, as per the definition...those sound like republican realms of interest. The republicans 2005 highway bill more fit the definition at $24 billion over the requested amount and 6,376 additional projects--constituent appeasers.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...n_pork_barrel/
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