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Old 05-18-2007, 07:49 PM
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Default Since when has Bush held himself accountable

Iraq Bill Stymied Despite Talks
By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON - The White House and Congress failed to strike a deal Friday after exchanging competing offers on an Iraq war spending bill that Democrats said should set a date for U.S. troops to leave.

"Timelines for withdrawal are just not the right way to go, and that cannot be the basis for funding our troops," said Joshua Bolten, White House chief of staff, after a nearly 90-minute meeting on Capitol Hill.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said they offered to grant Bush the authority to waive the deadlines. They said they also suggested they would drop billions of dollars in proposed domestic spending that Bush opposed, in exchange for his acceptance of identifying a withdrawal date.

The offer marked the Democrats' first major concessions in a weekslong battle with the White House on war funding.

"To say I was disappointed in the meeting is an understatement," Reid, D-Nev., told reporters. "I really did expect that the president would accept some accountability for what we're trying to accomplish here."

This really shouldn't be surprise now should it.
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This really shouldn't be surprise now should it.
No it shouldn't.

It's really very simple. Bush says no dates. Democrats say Dates.

Who's gonna' blink first?
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As I remember correctly, President Bush shockingly took complete responsibility for the collective failings in Iraq. I swear to God, when he said that I thought we'd lost already.
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"To say I was disappointed in the meeting is an understatement," Reid, D-Nev., told reporters. "I really did expect that the president would accept some accountability for what we're trying to accomplish here."
Why does Reid expect the president to accept some accountability for what THEY are trying to do?
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"To say I was disappointed in the meeting is an understatement," Reid, D-Nev., told reporters. "I really did expect that the president would accept some accountability for what we're trying to accomplish here."
Why does Reid expect the president to accept some accountability for what THEY are trying to do?
You don't REALLY expect an answer that makes sense do you?
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"To say I was disappointed in the meeting is an understatement," Reid, D-Nev., told reporters. "I really did expect that the president would accept some accountability for what we're trying to accomplish here."
Why does Reid expect the president to accept some accountability for what THEY are trying to do?
This is I'm sure a foreign concept to you, but the reason that Bush named Josh Bolten to meet with Democratic leaders in Congress was to negotiate compromise language for the legislation. The "we" in Mr. Reid's comment referred to those involved in those negotiations.

But fear not, you're not alone. Clearly the concept of negotiation and compromise is a very difficult concept for the current occupant of the White House, as well. He's learning, as he's evidenced by compromises on trade and immigration, but he's not a very good student.
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As I remember correctly, President Bush shockingly took complete responsibility for the collective failings in Iraq. I swear to God, when he said that I thought we'd lost already.
Actually, Shrub wasn't paying much attention when he attended his MBA classes. He's under the mistaken impression that simply saying he accepts responsibility excuses the speaker from actually bearing the consequences of that responsibility. That really doesn't work in the business world where "bearing responsibility" for disastrous decisions costs the person his/her job.... But as his career in business indicates, Shrub never really understood that.
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that aside from the good done by the removal of Hussain, that there have been some ulterior motives backing this war. I can't help but think that there is more than just coincidence involved when the very man who took the office of vice-president is directly involved with the company that is making the most money due to this war.

It is historically known that some of those that have committed the greatest atrocities in history have done so under the guise of religion. It is also known that in some instances the true power comes from directing from behind the throne.
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that aside from the good done by the removal of Hussain, that there have been some ulterior motives backing this war. I can't help but think that there is more than just coincidence involved when the very man who took the office of vice-president is directly involved with the company that is making the most money due to this war.
Seriously...where are your sources? Where is your proof?
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that aside from the good done by the removal of Hussain, that there have been some ulterior motives backing this war. I can't help but think that there is more than just coincidence involved when the very man who took the office of vice-president is directly involved with the company that is making the most money due to this war.
Seriously...where are your sources? Where is your proof?
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The article—“The Paper Trail: Did Cheney Okay a Deal?”—quotes an email sent by an official for the Army Corps of Engineers, saying that the contract for construction of oil pipelines in Iraq was approved by Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith “contingent on informing WH [White House] tomorrow. We anticipate no issues since action has been coordinated w VP’s [Vice President’s] office.” The Army Corps of Engineers is responsible for allocating contracts, and thus the email suggests that Halliburton was awarded the deal in coordination with Cheney’s office.

The email—dated March 5, 2003—was obtained by Judicial Watch, a conservative group that has joined in lawsuits against Cheney over the vice president’s secretive negotiations in formulating the administration’s energy policy. The contract was given to Halliburton three days later without any bids from other companies. In total, Halliburton has contracts in Iraq potentially worth over $17 billion.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/ju...hali-j08.shtml

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A dozen companies in which Carlyle had a controlling interest netted more than $9.3 billion in contracts
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One of the biggest contracts awarded in the war in Iraq went to Kellogg Brown & Root, a key subsidiary of Halliburton Co., the firm Vice President Dick Cheney ran as CEO before he stepped into the White House and became one of the prime movers urging the president to invade Iraq. Of the $4.3 billion in defense contracts Halliburton won in fiscal 2003 only about half were awarded based on competitive bidding. Another $1.9 billion in contract dollars was awarded on the basis of "urgency" without bidding and without going to any other contractors.
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Is that enough or do you want more, I included the bit in the middle to include Bush not just put the spotlight on Cheney only.
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