I said this long time ago. We have really become weak like Bin Laden said, "America is a paper tiger".
As long as the people of America have no backbone, they can't claim to be a super power eather.

On this one and only pullout, be prepared to also give up your great title and know that from this
time on, others will know how to defeat you. Your wish, is going to be your own undoing.
And don't expect a bright future for America from here on out.

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Are you letting someone use your head for a toilet stool? My gosh we don't have any reason to be in Iraq. Their war is older than dirt and stabilizing the middle-east is going to be just like walking up a high hill with rollerskates on or whipping a dead horse that ain't going to get up and go nowhere. And boogie about 70 percent of America think that Bush is getting paid to take the heat off of bin-Laden, or that Osama is what he has up his sleeves because he certainly has something up his sleeve concerning his irrational actions and choices. 70 percent is about how many Americans think the world is round instead of flat. Where did you two go to school because I want to vote it as the most worthless school around?

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Originally Posted by newbegginnings";p=&quot Sorry, but what a retarded question. All this shows me is the media have completley brainwashed people into thinking there's no reason why we should be in Iraq. What ever happend to stabalizing the Middle East?

Your right us being in Iraq has really stabilized the rest of the Middle East. Lets see were was fighting going on in the Middle East before we got there? Uh between Hamas and Israel, oh thats right they are still fighting so much for stabilization.

Peace.

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People of power have NO good will and people of good will have NO power.

If you think Education is Expensive try Ignorance.

Hey, nice use of personal attacks to get your point across! But I digress...
We were there to unseat a brutal dictator. We are there to give a fledgling government a fighting chance to start up.
Oh, I'm going to need some non-Wikipedia links for this. I can easily turn the tables on you and call you a mindless myrmidon who just blindly agrees to whatever the media throws at you. Everyone knows those polls are subjective. Well...everyone except you.
Seriously...I'm loving these personal attacks. You are such a good Commucrat Bolshevik. When in doubt, offend. Start mixing in some facts with your banter, boy.

If we set a date, it is an admission of failure? Do you think Bush is lying about that? Maybe he knows he is so unpopular that whatever he says he doesn't want to happen...will eventually actually happen. So maybe this time he knows setting a date is not an admission of failure, but he must pretend it is - just so Congress will do it.

Why would he do that? Well, the Iraq War would be over and Republican candidates will not have that mill stone around their neck. See, Bush isn't so dumb after all. If you believe that I got a bridge for you to buy in Brooklyn

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Stabilization in the Middle East is achieveable, but it will be a long, difficult time before that happens. This is a huge part of the problem here in the U.S. We Americans have no patience for gradual change in the geopolitical climate. Most Americans want instant gratification, and are not prepared for the long haul, especially when instant results are not seen.

Why do middle-easterners hate the West so much? Because their cultures and their governments are backward and corrupt. The grass roots are fed a constant stream of anti-American, anti-West propaganda by government-controlled news media because these autocratic governments need to fool the people into blaming others for their miserable standards of living, so the people at the top can continue living large while the poor just keep getting poorer. The Palestinians hate Israel purely out of envy. Those European refugees took a barren, inhospitable piece of real estate and through hard work and determination made a relative utopia out of it. And the natives there are beside themselves with envy which they will have to get over, some day.

For us to throw in the towel and give up would be a mistake of terrible proportions. With respect to actual nations, Iran is our real enemy, and Iraq is just a stepping stone toward hopefully seeing the Iranian people rise up in rebellion against their corrupt government. Al Qaeda is scarier, because they have no borders or real estate. They're like ghosts existing everywhere. Still, they are a deadly enemy that must be defeated. The radical Islamic terror groups have to realize that by screwing with us they have made a mortal enemy, a move they will live to regret. They have to see that we will be a far worse enemy to them than they are to us. When ignorant politicians declare that we have to find a way to wriggle out of this, somehow, or to use John Edwards' rhetoric about being patriotic about something besides war -- how idiotic -- those corrupt people have to be salivating with delight.

The only "Islamic" people who know what the West, and democracy, are really about are the intelligentsia who have emigrated to the U.S. and Europe. These people have a better chance of seeing that the socio-economic troubles in the Middle East are self-generated; not the fault of the West. Some day if enough of these educated people go back to the Middle East carrying the message of democracy and capitalism, the region might become stabilized in peace. It will never happen if we pull out now. In fact, it would only make matters worse.

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Stabilization in the Middle East is achieveable, but it will be a long, difficult time before that happens. This is a huge part of the problem here in the U.S. We Americans have no patience for gradual change in the geopolitical climate. Most Americans want instant gratification, and are not prepared for the long haul, especially when instant results are not seen.

Why do middle-easterners hate the West so much? Because their cultures and their governments are backward and corrupt. The grass roots are fed a constant stream of anti-American, anti-West propaganda by government-controlled news media because these autocratic governments need to fool the people into blaming others for their miserable standards of living, so the people at the top can continue living large while the poor just keep getting poorer. The Palestinians hate Israel purely out of envy. Those European refugees took a barren, inhospitable piece of real estate and through hard work and determination made a relative utopia out of it. And the natives there are beside themselves with envy which they will have to get over, some day.

For us to throw in the towel and give up would be a mistake of terrible proportions. With respect to actual nations, Iran is our real enemy, and Iraq is just a stepping stone toward hopefully seeing the Iranian people rise up in rebellion against their corrupt government. Al Qaeda is scarier, because they have no borders or real estate. They're like ghosts existing everywhere. Still, they are a deadly enemy that must be defeated. The radical Islamic terror groups have to realize that by screwing with us they have made a mortal enemy, a move they will live to regret. They have to see that we will be a for worse enemy to them than they are to us. When ignorant politicians declare that we have to find a way to wriggle out of this, somehow, or to use John Edwards' rhetoric about being patriotic about something besides war -- how idiotic -- those corrupt people have to be salivating with delight.

The only "Islamic" people who know what the West, and democracy, are really about are the intlligentsia who have emigrated to the U.S. and Europe. These people have a better chance of seeing that the socio-economic troubles in the Middle East are self-generated; not the fault of the West. Some day if enough of these educated people go back to the Middle East carrying the message of democracy and capitalism, the region might become stabilized in peace. It will never happen if we pull out now. In fact, it would only make matters worse.

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When religion ruled the world...wasn't that the Dark Ages?

There seems to be a glitch in either my computer or this website. Have seen it happen enough times with other posters, which leads me to believe the glitch is in this website.

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When religion ruled the world...wasn't that the Dark Ages?

How many people in the world practice the religion of Islam? How many of those people are violent or criminal? The majority of muslims don't go around proclaiming Jihads and killing people and for you to claim as much is just plain ignorant, but that is the way you have been taught so I guess it is not your fault.

Peace.

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People of power have NO good will and people of good will have NO power.

If you think Education is Expensive try Ignorance.

Nowhere in my post did I say that Muslims are violent or criminal, going around proclaiming jihads, etc. In reality, I believe exactly the opposite. If you want to construe my statement to mean otherwise, that's your business. As to your retorts to my points: I consider most of them to be so much left-wing, anti-establishment rhetoric.

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