Proof-hunter===You said that we will give up our title and to not expect a bright future for America if we call off this dastardly unpopular war. We already lost our title by using a dog that bark up the wrong tree to hunt for who did harm to America on 9-11 and due to this mess we erroneously started then many of us don't expect a bright future, not until Dumbya is removed from office and a miracle worker take over the White House and do something that will again make us seem rational, honest and not like crooked oil-thieves.
Boogiepeople===Now Boogie you mention the word "Blindness" in one of your sentence so I know you know what it mean but you don't realize you are affected with it. And they say that no one is as blind as those who refuse to see and even ones with no eyes at all are not as blind as those with good eyes who refuse to see. I give up on you because you are verily too far out there in the land of no rationale to reason with and you can keep up your banter of nonsense while us who can think try to do something about this mess that the reigning retards have made.

I would have to agree with the president.

Creating a timeline simply sets a date for terrorists in Iraq to hide out until. Basically by making a timeline terrorists can say "If we hide and run until this date we are free!", that would be unacceptable.

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jeremiah,
It's OK for you to not agree about Iraq, but you must admit, we are there
like it or not. and the question is, do you believe that pulling out is dangerous
to Americans, or do you believe terrorists will just say good-bye you all.

Or, do you believe that hating bush is enough to cut our own throats?
it's now time for you to say what is on your mind, not about how bad
being in Iraq is, not about how you hate Bush, but about what you feel
will happen in the after math of pulling out. or tell me your solid plan
of how to pull out without another more sinister problem accruing.

Please answer that for me huh?

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Coming from a right-wing guy with his head in the sand I can understand that.

Peace.

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People of power have NO good will and people of good will have NO power.

If you think Education is Expensive try Ignorance.

The decision to go into a war is a political decisin not a military one. The decision to "stay the course" in a conflict is a political decision not a military one.

Bush made the political decision to have a surge and is now playing the military card and is using the military as fall guys.

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So we "stabalize" the MiddleEast by de-stabalozing a "country, allowing civil war to flourish, creating an opportunity and for al Queda to establish itself in Iraq. That is real great stbalization ----

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Looky what we have here, supercrap is now trying to say that the
military is being used as the fall guy.

Do you see the edge yet?

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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
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Proofhunter===You asked for what is on my mind and not about my hatred of Bush or the war. Now after 9-11 and Bush said that we were going to war with Afghanistan to make them give us Osama bin-Laden like Clinton did with Serbia then I was all for Bush and admired the gusto he stirred up to get who America wanted to get. In fact being a democrat then I was so for Bush when he was going to get Osama come hell or high water and also I did like his Dad when his Dad was president and have nothing bad to say about that Bush. But when Bush took America's aim to get Osama and instead made the aim to get who he wanted then I turn the other way about it all and the more he kept messing things up then the more I grew to hate him and felt so deceived by him as many Americans have come to feel.
You ask about if I feel that pulling out will be dangerous for America and if it will develope into a more sinister problem to occur. The more we stay on this course then the more it will be dangerous for America because we are not in the right about all this and attacked a country for false reasons supplied by our leaders and made a catastrophic mess of a country that was doing okay until we attack for no valid reason except to look for WMDs when the worse one in this world is in Afghanistan. If Osama isn't a WMD then there is no such thing as one, look what he did to New York, the Pentagon and intended to do to the White House.
I absolutely believe we should get out of Iraq and let the people of Iraq patch things up the best they can. Of course there will be hostility toward America for a long time to come and I can't blame them. And if anyone else attack America then we should track where they are and ask the country to hand them over or face what Japan faced in World War Two and no one would want to face that and we will have the culprit or he will find no country to hide in.

jeremiah,
I am pleased to hear that you would pullout, well not so much that
you would pullout, but that if we were attacked after that. and well
I am sure that what ever forms or takes over in Iraq, will attack us later
on down the read, and well, that would put us back into Iraq, right?

But why should we fool ourselves into thinking they wont? why would they
just stop their fatwa to kill all westerners just because we left Iraq?
On 9/11 it was a real thing, they attacked, and are now in Iraq and they
them self say that Iraq is Al Quada's main front against the Americans and
the west. and the fatwa was announced in 1998 before 9/11.

If they win this, they already said they can defeat us on our own land easier.
The British are getting their share. and other countries have been attacked as
well, after 9/11 you would be a fool to not be able to see just how much terror
has been going on around the world, it's like all Arabs have gone a muck.

The west really needs to stop fighting about how we got into Iraq, and start
fighting to stave off this evil enemy. I myself have already explained how we
got into Iraq, but the nuts in this world are stuck on WMD and that none was
found. while forgetting why we had Saddam up on charges of violating a resolution
that the UN made that required action against Saddam if he did not comply. this is
the real reason we are there, and this is why the UN or European councils have never
said that we violated anything, this is all just public redirec that flys all over
the world with no thought about the real issue we was dealing with at the UN before
we went into Iraq. WMD was our fear also, and Saddam played with our fear on that
and kept he ha in around or stalling the investigations, which made him look guilty
and while he was playing with us, he got burned. that was a bad choice of Saddam's.

WMD stuck in every ones heads, and became the issue they could understand the most.
and while the president along with congress looked over the intelligence they ALL
thought he may have WMD, and it was this fear that they had to choose, should we
or not? if he had them, and we did nothing and Al Quada got hold of them then what?

these choices back then were not to be taken lightly, but today we think we know more
about his true WMD programs or progress. But Bush alone takes the blame that ALL of
congress agreed on.

Now you can also be foolish and say untrue things like Bush lied to congress etc.
But before you join the ranks of fools, ask your self why the dems can't impeach
Bush? the reason why is because they agreed with him. and because there would have
to be some information that bush held out that congress did not get to see, and that
proof would have to be something that would have showed that Saddam did not have
WMD. and it would have to have been solid proof to insure that our fears was un
founded. because there was none, and there never has been any. Bush and congress
including the Dems are at fault, but are they really? or was they ALL just protecting
the American people? mistake or not. But the Dems went back on there vote, acted like
it was all bush's fualt, because their character shows that they have no honer to
stand by their choice's right or wrong. they are scum.

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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

since when? how many stars does Rove have on his collar?

put the kool-aid down for once.