President Bush said that setting a date for withdrawal is equivalent to setting a date for failure???? My gosh this war has been a failure to begin with and is getting more and more obviously a failure as time goes on and the deaths and financial tolls rise. What is it going to take for this thin-headed and irrational idiot to realize it.

The practical problem is that if we do set a date certain to drop out of Iraqistan it would sgnal the Abdulhs that we are leaving things undone. What we need is to set objectives should as "get all of the Abdulhs" in Iraqistan to defend their own country. As long as we are doing the work for the the Abdulhs they have o incentive to move things along.

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Well we been doing their work since the beginning. When the war started then Bush said that we were doing it to get freedom for the Iraqi people. When asked why didn't the Iraqi people rise up and fight for freedom themselves then Bush answered "Because they fear rising up because it would mean that they would get killed". So instead we allow close to 4,000 of our own cream-of-the-crop military personels to be killed to get freedom for ones who refuse to fight on their own. What a catastrophe that led to because more people than ever are being killed now in Iraq because we arrested and hanged who was able to control Iraq and keep civil war from arising.
We are wasting all of our military might and so much of our money and bringing our country down to weakness for people who won't do anything for themselves but why should they when they feel the Americans are foolish enough to die for them. If we waste all our military might, soldiers and money on this and bring ourselves down to become weak then there is no doubt that other countries will see us as the downed-dog and will try to take over.
Bush is going to be America's downfall and the classic case of "the blind who will lead the blinds"

Bush's contention is that the Generals in the field should make these decisions about how well---or badly---things are going; not politicians. When the Democrats voted to put General Patreus in Iraq, they promised to give him until September and receive a report from him then on the situation. BUT even before all the surge troops were fully in place, they renigged and began to break their promise.

IF Petreus paints a bleak picture in September, then we'll most likely have to begin planning a way to leave. But the alternatives will ALSO have to be considred; like what happens then? Will things be worse for us, instead of better?

And I agree with you about the Iraqi people. I'm also disappointed that they haven't taken the opportunity to "rise up" more.

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It does set a date to admit you blew it. I guess if you don't set a date you can keep flushing money down the toilet and keep claiming you are still trying.

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[quote="JP5";p="386021"]Bush's contention is that the Generals in the field should make these decisions about how well---or badly---things are going; not politicians.

What a bunch of BS, if that were the case we wouldn't be in this war in the first place. How many Generals that were in the field and are in the field told him this was not a good move and he did what he wanted to do anyway.

Peace.

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So what do you all call packing up all your (*)(*)(*)(*) and running home in 4 months???





Now go die in Afghanistan stupid American soldier..die for these people.... THEY SUPPORT YOU!

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I'm thinking that Al Qaida is LOVING Commucrats right about now. I wouldn't be surprised if Pelousy and Boxer were receiving bribes from Osama Bin Laden, himself.

Can you hear him now?
"Soon, brothers...we will control all of Iraq! Patience! Just hold out a little longer! The Americans have set a timeline for surrender, and as soon as they leave, we shall take that country by force. Then we will prove to the world, that America is afraid of us, and we will have plenty of land to train more terroris...err...freedom fighters to launch a multitude of attacks against the Great Satan! Praise Allah, and praise the American Democrats for their glorious surrender!"

The Commucrats are probably so proud to hand over the Middle East to these lunatics.

Sorry, but what a retarded question. All this shows me is the media have completley brainwashed people into thinking there's no reason why we should be in Iraq. What ever happend to stabalizing the Middle East?

That's odd, because I was against the war from Day 1 when the media were all on board.

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