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Old 11-20-2007, 06:46 PM
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Federal and provincial officials are calling for a review of border procedures after an ambulance rushing an Ontario heart attack patient to a U.S. hospital was held up at the border.

It was the 10th border delay in two years involving patients being transferred from Windsor, Ont., to Detroit, according to the CBC's Susan Pedler.

In the latest incident, Rick Laporte was en route from Windsor to a Detroit hospital for an emergency angioplasty on Friday when U.S. customs officials flagged the vehicle for a secondary inspection despite having a police escort and a pre-clearance arrangement.

Pedler reported that, under a deal hammered out in 2005, Windsor is the only border point between Canada and the U.S. that allows patients to be pre-cleared with a fax ahead of border crossings for medical emergencies.

Such an arrangement was made in Laporte's case. But U.S. officials still have the right to pull over anyone for secondary inspections including ambulances that have been pre-cleared, Pedler said.

The man driving the ambulance was asked to show his documents to the guard and then Laporte was asked to verbally identify himself.

As the incident became public over the weekend, all levels of government expressed outrage at the delay.

During question period, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day told the House of Commons that the government has raised a number of issues with U.S. officials relating to the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, which requires all persons to present a passport or other valid travel document to enter or re-enter the U.S.

Day said the law has "had some unintended consequences in terms of how it's interpreted at the border.

"I've communicated with the secretary of state on this particular issue, the Department of Homeland Security, and we have registered our concern," he said. "We don't want to see this continue. It has to come to an end."
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/...-hospital.html

2 weeks ago a Firetruck was delayed at the US border when responding to the New York call for assistance. The delay may have lead to a hotel burning down.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/14/bor...uck/index.html

Its really amazing that our day and age this is happening. This extra scrutiny faced by emergency vehicles is a ridiculous. I agree with random checks, but clearly not for ambulances or firetrucks which are trying to save peoples lives. Add this to the long list of Homeland Security screw-ups.
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Two things pop out at me from that article.....

No 1: that a Canadian patient was being rushed to an American hospital. Doesn't say much for the so-called healthcare system of Canada that they need to be rushed to America for treatment.

No 2: Obviously you've not heard that ambulances are sometimes used in terrorist attacks throughout the world.
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No 1: that a Canadian patient was being rushed to an American hospital. Doesn't say much for the so-called healthcare system of Canada that they need to be rushed to America for treatment.
Canadian healthcare issues aside, you are way off on that one. Windsor is a small town right across the river from Detroit. Like most small towns, in Canada, the U.S. or France, there is no large hospital in Windsor where an emergency angioplasty can be performed. Since Detroit is literally a rock toss away they send them there. It's also quite possible that the patient was an American.

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No 2: Obviously you've not heard that ambulances are sometimes used in terrorist attacks throughout the world.
Yeah, that Windsor-Detroit border is littered with blown up ambulances. You people crack me up.
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In the latest incident, Rick Laporte was en route from Windsor to a Detroit hospital for an emergency angioplasty on Friday when U.S. customs officials flagged the vehicle for a secondary inspection despite having a police escort and a pre-clearance arrangement.
If it weren't for having a police escort and a pre-clearance arrangement, I'd be all for a detailed inspection. This just makes it confusing. If they had no reason to be suspicious of this specific vehicle, they should have let it go through.
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This just makes it confusing. If they had no reason to be suspicious of this specific vehicle, they should have let it go through.
Not to mention that the Detroit-Windsor border is very heavily traveled. The Port of Detroit is a busy one. The stone cold fact is that if someone wanted to, it would incredibly easy to get a car filled with bombs over the border. They random check next to nothing. Stopping an ambulance and doing a detailed check, with an escort or not, is just being silly.
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U.S. customs officials flagged the vehicle for a secondary inspection despite having a police escort and a pre-clearance arrangement.
Sounds like a civil lawsuit in the making. I wonder if blame will be placed on a lowly employee.

Lou Dobbs would probably suggest having American doctors on the border to test patients who come over to see if they are really sick.
Of course, the patient would have to wait in line and apply for a visa at the border first.
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Windsor is a small town right across the river from Detroit. Like most small towns, in Canada, the U.S. or France, there is no large hospital in Windsor where an emergency angioplasty can be performed. Since Detroit is literally a rock toss away they send them there.
I'm wondering how many small towns on our northern border rush their victims into Canada for health care.
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I'm wondering how many small towns on our northern border rush their victims into Canada for health care.
Well, how many are near a large Canadian town? That, grasshopper, will lead you to the answer.
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Windsor is a small town right across the river from Detroit. Like most small towns, in Canada, the U.S. or France, there is no large hospital in Windsor where an emergency angioplasty can be performed. Since Detroit is literally a rock toss away they send them there.
I'm wondering how many small towns on our northern border rush their victims into Canada for health care.
Would an ambulance bring a US patient into Canada, usually private insurance plans won't cover medical treatments in another country. They would probably bring the person to a US hospital, just to avoid debt or bankruptcy which could result from not being covered.
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No 1: that a Canadian patient was being rushed to an American hospital. Doesn't say much for the so-called healthcare system of Canada that they need to be rushed to America for treatment.
Canadian healthcare issues aside, you are way off on that one. Windsor is a small town right across the river from Detroit. Like most small towns, in Canada, the U.S. or France, there is no large hospital in Windsor where an emergency angioplasty can be performed. Since Detroit is literally a rock toss away they send them there. It's also quite possible that the patient was an American.

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No 2: Obviously you've not heard that ambulances are sometimes used in terrorist attacks throughout the world.
Yeah, that Windsor-Detroit border is littered with blown up ambulances. You people crack me up.
Crack up all you like. But I know that had it been such a terrorist attack, YOU and other Bush haters would have been the first to say "Bush did it." YOU would have been the first to say, "the security failed."
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