You all obviously believe this vote to stop the filibuster means nothing and that there's a chance that the law suits will start. Wanna put some money on it?

http://www.first.org/newsroom/global...ty/186939.html

By a 76-10 vote on Monday, the senators agreed to cut off the possibility of a filibuster that would delay final action on the so-called FISA Amendments Act, which the Bush administration argues is necessary to remove supposed hurdles to snooping on foreign terrorists. All 10 of the votes against limiting debate came from Democrats. (FISA refers to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a 1978 law that sets the ground rules for intercepting communications between foreigners and U.S. persons.)

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

FYI, the entire title would not fit on the line, and you're right, read the article.

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

10 democrats voted no, and I didn't call them loony, I said most are sticking with what works to fight terror. The loony left are the ones that will be reeling from this vote, does that apply to you?

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

a majority of demos voted yes - nothing in this thread works.

I believe that was Bronco's point - that the Dems didn't go along with the hard-left radical agenda to punish phone companies for doing the right thing.

Maybe I don't have the ability for 'left' speak, I didn't think it was that difficult to understand.

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

Helping the NSA violate the 4th amendment is the right thing?

We don't need to believe they are "evil" to want our right to privacy to remain secure.
That is exactly opposite of what he is trying to say. Hes asking for less government intrusion, not more...
Because the administration admitted it had been doing it? Maybe not him personally, but other citizens. Thats not paranoia, thats being informed.
Oh look, more fear mongering. Thats pretty cute, really. You'd think people hadn't gotten sick of that yet. This isn't about terrorists being monitored, this is about American citizens being tapped without warrants.

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Name one that has been violated? You are the loony left I was describing at the beginning of this thread. You will be nothing but an empty voice falling on deaf ears. The majority of this nation says you are wrong, and have no fear or concern about our government is being proactive to fight terrorism. World history is full of ignorance relating to what you have written, not fear mongering, just fact.

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

If you go to the wiki on Legal Challenges to the NSA you'll see that a number of law abiding American citizens have been illegally targeted. How many others have been eavesdropped on in unknown since, of course, this program is confidential. But, the fact that this law is on the books, and the administration is pushing for amnesty for the telecoms is plenty of evidence that citizens have been wiretapped.

If valuing my rights as promised in the 4th Amendment makes me part of the "loony left" in your mind, then you're a bit of a loon yourself. Do you value the Constitution? Do you think that our government should be able to operate without checks and balances? Do you think we should have a right to privacy? This is basic civics, and basic American values.

I could care less what the majority thinks on this issue. A patriot says what he believes to be true, no matter what the popular opinion is. I am not against the government fighting terrorism, but to use that as justification to listen in without warrants on American citizens is treacherous to the ideals of this country.

Its not as if it is hard to get a warrant, or even get one in secret. Its also not as if the government can't get a warrant in extenuating circumstances even after they have began surveillance. This is a gross, and unneeded expansion of power.

Oh please. There can hardly be a better definition of fear mongering than what you said: would you rather thousands die again and then you can say, maybe we should monitor overseas calls of terrorists. You are placing individual freedoms against the threat and fear of deaths. American lives are obviously important to me, but I won't cash them at the expense of our fundamental rights.

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