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Originally Posted by Bobcat1
Yes, Tuatara, all terrorism is justified if it is against the United States. What else can we rationalize here?
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You are making zero sense. You basically just stated that the reason the US went after the Taliban (a different group) is because Al Qaeda was responsible for earlier attacks. There is no logic in that type of thinking. It's like attacking a country that had absolutely zero do to with 911....oh, wait a minute. You probably have to remain consistent with your illogical style of thinking.
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So, you're telling me that Al Queda is not guilty of human rights abuses?
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We were talking about Saudi Arabia. Are you having problems following the conversation? I never even hinted at Al Qaeda was not guilty of Human Rights. Of course in the context you quoted Al Qaeda was not even mentioned.
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Or are you contending that Saudi Arabia's human rights transgressions are justification for 3000 people dying on 9-11?
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Wow...you really can't follow a simple conversation. I have to ask. Are you dyslexic or maybe you have something else I should be aware of. You were comparing BC to Saudi Arabia. I pointed out the fallacy in that comparison. If you are alluding to my earlier post where I mentioned that the US's support of the Saudi Princes was one of the reasons for Al qaeda's attack there is no question about it. Bin Laden even states that as one of the reasons. As for saying that I contend it to be justification I think you missed the point where I said
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I don't condone what the terrorists did on 911
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You really need to start making intelligent points, Tuatara.
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Please, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Oh, I'll compare them now. Al Queda is a lot more oppressive than the Saudi Government. Look at the rubble of the Golden Mosque. I don't think even the Saudi's would have done that.
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Hello...Is anybody in there? You brought up BC ( British Columbia). That is what was being compared. Not Al Qaeda.
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Oh, please do. And don't forget to include all how your own government's willingness to drop its pants and bend over for Saudi Oil too. Of course, it's only bad when America does it.
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Nice strawman. Canada has criticized Saudia Arabia many times.
I might include this also. We don't need Saudi's oil.
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Canada’s Oil Supply 2nd only to Saudi Arabia
Canada ranks Number 2 and is on its way to becoming Number 1
Canada apparently possesses the world’s second-largest oil reserves with only Saudi Arabia ahead of it. According to one expert, Canada controls 56% of the world’s investable oil resources. Once the Arctic opens up to serious exploration, which with global warming is becoming easier by the day, we may become number one. This certainly explains the tremendous interest in the region in recent months.
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http://lifeontheroad.com/2007/10/15/...rabia/343.html
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Our military bases ensure the free flow of oil to your own bankrupt, self-righteous nation.
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We had no problem getting oil before the bases were there. Your argument has no leg to stand on. If our country ever got their act together we could use exclusively all our own oil. But we have some brain dead politicians too. Not as bad as Bush.
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We are the ones who allow you to look down your noses at us, while we do the dirty work it takes to keep your trade routes free of hostile intervention.
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The only reason they are hostile is because of US intervention and US Foreign Policy.
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And your useless country sat by, doing nothing, when Saddam Hussein gassed Kurds
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Not sure if Saddam did do that.
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Neither Saddam Hussein nor Ali Hasan al-Majid (who commanded Iraqi forces in northern Iraq in that period, which earned him a nickname of "Chemical Ali") were charged by the Iraqi Special Tribunal for crimes against humanity relating to the events at Halabja.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
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The accusation that Iraq has used chemical weapons against its citizens is a familiar part of the debate. The piece of hard evidence most frequently brought up concerns the gassing of Iraqi Kurds at the town of Halabja in March 1988, near the end of the eight-year Iran-Iraq war. President Bush himself has cited Iraq's "gassing its own people," specifically at Halabja, as a reason to topple Saddam Hussein.
But the truth is, all we know for certain is that Kurds were bombarded with poison gas that day at Halabja. We cannot say with any certainty that Iraqi chemical weapons killed the Kurds. This is not the only distortion in the Halabja story.
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http://www.propagandamatrix.com/a_wa...act_of_war.htm
And who started that? Who told the people of Iraq to rise up against Saddam? Who gave them the false impression that they would assist in this uprising? Clue: It wasn't Canada.
Uhhh, Canada was part of the UN coalition for the Gulf War. I don't agree with their part in it but they were there.
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What a blatantly contradictory statement... So Al Queda members were in Iraq, but they were not Al Queda? Of course, your do-nothing government must have evidence of this: how Al Queda had members who were not Al Queda were in Iraq until the US decided to take Saddam Hussein down and then suddenly, by Immaculate Conception, they became Al Queda members who were Al Queda?
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Take a minute there sparky. There were Iraqi citizens living in Iraq who became members of Al Qaeda after the invasion.
Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) is a term to describe a group which is playing an active role in the Iraqi insurgency. The group was led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi until his death in 2006; it is now believed to be led by Abu Hamza al-Muhajir[3] (aka Abu Ayyub al-Masri[4]).
The group is a direct successor of al-Zarqawi's previous organization, Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad. Beginning with its official statement
declaring allegiance to the Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network in October 2004, the group identifies itself as Tanzim Qaidat Al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (QJBR) ("Organization of Jihad's Base in the Country of the Two Rivers")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq
Like throwing fish in a barrel.
Great rebuttal. You'll go far.
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No, I contend ones responsible are governments just like your own, who have no balls to stand up for the freedoms and rights Western civilizations believes in.
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propagated nationalism with no truth to it at all. How was Iraq threatening your freedom?
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So, when the US has to do the dirty work, and defend your way of life
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My way of life wasn't threatened. Zip.
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I would argue otherwise. You and your countrymen all relish looking down your collective noses at the US, because you are weak and insignificant, and complaining like old women somehow makes you look noble to yourselves.
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Please stop with the testosterone flexing. Someone will catch on that you're compensating for something else.
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You know, this argument is so weak
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How so? Explain yourself.
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Are you really that ignorant? Are you going to tell me that Al Queda, with its safe haven in Afghanistan, was operating completely without the knowledge of Mulah Omar? whom Osama Bin Ladin had proclaimed as the next Calif? Good job there!
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You really are having problems comprehending this conversation. The US claimed Al Qaeda attacked them. The Taliban said what's your proof and by the way we don't know where he is right now. You then stated that the Taliban
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was more like a foreign government allowed a terrorist organization to attack the USA from within its borders.
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By saying they allowed it to happen they must have prior knowledge I challenged you on this by saying:
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Are you suggesting the Taliban had prior knowledge of the attacks? Source please..
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Which you responded:
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No, of course not. Those big mock Boeing 747's that were built at the Al Queda training camps were there to be an amusement park.
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The "of course not" I took as sarcasm because you claim something about mock boeings which you cannot provide proof of. Of course the Taliban knew Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan. It doesn't mean they were privy to their plans.
06-06-2008, 09:18 AM
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