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Any war that is in the best interest of the nation is good whether it be defensive,Preemtive, or offensive.
Care to name five and give the justification?
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You know the time is quickly coming when people are going to have to stop thinking along the lines dictated by Napolean (i.e. nationalism) and start thinking of the world as the globalised entity that it is. Talk about "any war that is good for the nation is a good war" is stupid in light of the vast amount of integration that has already happened and will soon happen. This is not to mention the ethical bankruptcy of such a statement.
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Any war that is in the best interest of the nation is good whether it be defensive,Preemtive, or offensive.
And it is never in our best interest to be preemtive or offensive (unless an imminent attack warrants it -- which we have never dealt with such a situation).
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You know the time is quickly coming when people are going to have to stop thinking along the lines dictated by Napolean (i.e. nationalism) and start thinking of the world as the globalised entity that it is. Talk about "any war that is good for the nation is a good war" is stupid in light of the vast amount of integration that has already happened and will soon happen. This is not to mention the ethical bankruptcy of such a statement.
Nationalism is bad.

Patriotism is not.

Globalization in the sense you speak of, is also bad.
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Nixon didn't end the war in Vietnam he just promoted "Vietnaminization" which simply escalated the war into a bombing campaing of not only Vietnam but Cambodia and Laos.
Nixon did indeed end the war. All American forces were withdrawn by 1973. The bombing ended as well. And did not resume. Even if Nixon intended to resume the bombings if the North violated the peace agreement.
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I would like to see a clear difference between patriotism and nationalism, I can't see any from where I'm standing.

We would have to create an entirely new discussion to clear up the erspective pros and cons of globalisation. However, good or bad globalisation is a reality that isn't going to go away, Our military strategy should probably get used to that fact.
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I would like to see a clear difference between patriotism and nationalism, I can't see any from where I'm standing.
Many argue that the two are nearly indistinguishable.

However, implied in nationalism is a duty to serve your country, right or wrong, no matter the cost and no matter what you think. Patriotism is opposed to that because it is simply a support of the beliefs, history, or ideals of one's country.

Hitler was clear when he said in Mein Kampf that, "I was a nationalist, not a patriot." He wanted to use nationalism to support his socialist and totalitarian beliefs. But he was not proud of the German history or its ideals, unless you count his fictional beliefs in the ancient Ayrans.
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I would like to see a clear difference between patriotism and nationalism, I can't see any from where I'm standing.

We would have to create an entirely new discussion to clear up the erspective pros and cons of globalisation. However, good or bad globalisation is a reality that isn't going to go away, Our military strategy should probably get used to that fact.
Nothing wrong with being patriotic towards a country. Patriotism means you praise your country for what it does right and criticize her for when she does wrong. It means you love what your country stands for, their heritage, their diversity and so forth. You are proud to call yourself an American (or whatever the case may be).

A nationalist (nationalism) or is a blind patriot more or less. One that wears the color of a patriot, but contradicts them with a blind outlook on his country. His country is always right. Never does wrong. And so forth.
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