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Old 06-12-2008, 05:26 PM
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A preventive war, to my mind, is an impossibility today. How could you have one if one of its features would be several cities lying in ruins, several cities where many, many thousands of people would be dead and injured and mangled, the transportation systems destroyed, sanitation implements and systems all gone? That isn't preventive war; that is war.
It seems to me that the Republican party has historically been the party of peace. Eisenhower was put in office to get the United States out of Korea. Nixon was elected to get us out of Vietnam, which he eventually did. These were costly wars where the soldiers died in vain. A lot of people do not like to hear that, but it is true. The only war we ever fought that was unjust was the Civil War, which was unjust for a number of reasons. See, we should have did what every other country did at that time; have the government buy the slaves and release them. The bloodshed could have been avoided. My point is how are the Neoconservatives accurately representing the Republican party today?

I basically created this thread to remind the Democrats; that we Republicans are truly the party of peace, and raise the question of the poisoning of the GOP by the Neoconservatives.

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Well I will admit, more democratic presidents have led us down the path of major war than republicans, but that doesn't mean that they decreased war in general, in fact they continued war through other means. Reagan was supporting conflicts in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Afghanistan, Guatemala and much more which led to large numbers of casualties.

Nixon didn't end the war in Vietnam he just promoted "Vietnaminization" which simply escalated the war into a bombing campaing of not only Vietnam but Cambodia and Laos.

Eisenhower supported coups and dictators that led to the death of thousands of people.

So just because american soldiers were not being killed, doesn't mean the republican party was a party of "peace."

If the Civil War were just about slavery, then the government should have bought the slaves and released them. However, it wasn't the main cause, instead it was about state's rights and the loss of all control over all government offices by the southern democratic party that spurred succession against the republican-dominated government. The war was thus a war for independence that was twarted by the forces trying to preserve the union.

If you think it was the most unjust war, that's fine, but I can name several wars that were completely unjust. But to take one from that time that was unjust was the Mexican American War, or if you want, the Spanish American War and the following war against the phillipino independence movement or the multiple wars fought against the several native american tribes throughout the entire continent. I find those MUCH more unjust than the civil war.

And by "UnJust" I am assuming you are referring to Just war theory.

So if you truly think the Republican party is a party of "peace" your in for a long history of perpetual war propagated by both Democrats and Republicans all accross the world.
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Killing to prevent war is like (*)(*)(*)(*)ing to prevent sexual promiscuity.
That is exactly what I do with my wife. Mostly before I go on long trips.
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That is exactly what I do with my wife. Mostly before I go on long trips.
I do that with your wife too, but I think she's been cheating on us again.
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I do that with your wife too, but I think she's been cheating on us again.
My wife would kill you in bed. Plus you need to know if that did happen, you would get all the credit card debt.
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That is exactly what I do with my wife. Mostly before I go on long trips.
Oh that is an awsome reply.

The relevence being that it isn't about preventing the activity. It's about making sure the activity is conducted in a way we want it to be, isntead of in a way that we do not.

At any rate referencing parties "historically" beyond maybe twenty or thirty years isn't very relevant. Go back far enough and blacks primarily voted for Republicans. Part of having a two party system is that the parties have to evolve in order to keep in the running.
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That is exactly what I do with my wife. Mostly before I go on long trips.

I think there is a video of that on YouTube.....
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