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Old 06-20-2008, 09:01 AM
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Same old stories from you, and you provided those links a thousand times. OK, we got the picture. Now cool off
All Peachy Keen here.

My so called " stories "- as you like to call them- are based on facts, reports and researchs.
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All Peachy Keen here.

My so called " stories "- as you like to call them- are based on facts, reports and researchs.
Ok, we will give you a lolly-pop for your efforts.

Now stick to the subject, we have enough threads in "Russia and Eastern Europe" section.
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Ok, we will give you a lolly-pop for your efforts.

Now stick to the subject, we have enough threads in "Russia and Eastern Europe" section.
We? I see only you here. As for the " lolly pop ", thanks but no thanks. I give it to you, as I don't have a sweet tooth.


As for me not sticking to the subject, that's the pot calling the kettle black. Moreover, if you had read through what I wrote you would have noticed that I wrote at the end of my last post ; " As far as the Article posted by Amused-What Poland and Lithuania does, it's up to them. "


Now chillax neighbour.

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Slobodan Milosevic created the multi-party system in Serbia. He did had a communist background, but he was a socialist and a nationalist.
A National Socialist, also known as a fascist, who had been a loyal member of the Communist Party for the entirety of his adult life.


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He did oppress them, but they certainly provoked his actions in order to obtain international support. They knew he was "trigger-happy" and exploited that by attacking police convoys and committing acts of terrorism against the government and against Serbian civilians. And you don't do that with Milosevic in power. But they certainly achieved their goal by aligning with current Uncle Sam's military interests in the region.
Could you elucidate on "them and "they?" I appreciate the delicate nature of your position here, but I believe I stated the communist Milosevic had oppressed the Muslims and you stated that I was wrong on that and given that 'they' and 'them' were Muslims, I think we are looking at a stark reversal in your position.

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Milosevic oppressed everyone who confronted him, including the very Serbian people.
Yes that is the nature of Socialism. Thus my constant theme that they (Socialists of every stripe and 'ism' are to be isolated from power at all cost.

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Albanians played the nationality and ethnicity card, achieved international support (with strong lobby and bribe) and eventually managed to steal 15% of Serbian territory.
Now when you say Albanians, you're speaking of Muslims, are you not?

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There are Muslim, Catholic and Orthodox Albanians.
Yes, of course, which is the case in every nation on earth for the mos tpart, but it was the Muslims that were causing the trouble, which is not uncommon for Muslims, given that the majorities of the wars being fought on the planet at the moment and for the last 30 years have been a result of Muslims causing trouble.


I would wager that if you were to isolate the Muslims and the socialists out of a study of that conflict, you'd have had little to no oppression and no conflict and your lovely nation would still have in tact the wonderful ancient buildings, bridges and architecture and the tens of thousands who perished and were hideously injured would be enjoying their lives with family and grand children.
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@ Bushfan- The war in Kosovo/a that lead to a NATO intervention, was NOT a religious war. The Albanians, be it Muslims, Christians, Orthodox- they were treated the same, i.e as second class citizens.
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Now when you say Albanians, you're speaking of Muslims, are you not?

When you refer to ' Muslims' as a " nationality", could it be that you have mistaken the Albanians with the Bosniaks?
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Shooting down a plane in your own airspace is not the same thing as launching a nuclear strike against another nation. No need for this huge waste of money, and if the Europeans disagree they can pay for it themselves.
It was NOT over Russian air space - it was Georgian

The American Government are more enlightened to the Russian threat, the reasons and benifits as to why they want to help protect the Sovereignty of allied Democratic nations, than you are!

All Democracies should stick together against the rising threat of autocratic oligarchs such as Russia.
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It was NOT over Russian air space - it was Georgian

The American Government are more enlightened to the Russian threat, the reasons and benifits as to why they want to help protect the Sovereignty of allied Democratic nations, than you are!

All Democracies should stick together against the rising threat of autocratic oligarchs such as Russia.
And so we need to worry about Russia launching a nuclear strike?

That doesn't make any sense.
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A National Socialist, also known as a fascist, who had been a loyal member of the Communist Party for the entirety of his adult life.

Could you elucidate on "them and "they?" I appreciate the delicate nature of your position here, but I believe I stated the communist Milosevic had oppressed the Muslims and you stated that I was wrong on that and given that 'they' and 'them' were Muslims, I think we are looking at a stark reversal in your position.

Yes that is the nature of Socialism. Thus my constant theme that they (Socialists of every stripe and 'ism' are to be isolated from power at all cost.

Now when you say Albanians, you're speaking of Muslims, are you not?

Yes, of course, which is the case in every nation on earth for the mos tpart, but it was the Muslims that were causing the trouble, which is not uncommon for Muslims, given that the majorities of the wars being fought on the planet at the moment and for the last 30 years have been a result of Muslims causing trouble.

I would wager that if you were to isolate the Muslims and the socialists out of a study of that conflict, you'd have had little to no oppression and no conflict and your lovely nation would still have in tact the wonderful ancient buildings, bridges and architecture and the tens of thousands who perished and were hideously injured would be enjoying their lives with family and grand children.
Milosevic was a communist, I don't deny that. But he destroyed the Communist party and introduced the multi-party system and free elections (at least on paper, although he used to steal all the time).

You said Milosevic oppressed Serbian Muslims. We need to clarify some things here. Muslims in Serbia don't declare themselves as Serbs, but as Muslims (some sort of invented nation, due to the fact they are all mainly of Serbian origin, but converted to Islam during the Turkish occupation and therefore claim to be a special people). These Muslims who live in the area of Sandzak were not oppressed.

He did, however, beat the crap out of the terrorist KLA, that's true. But the expression you used is not adequate. You should have said Albanian Muslims in Serbia. I think you get the point.

Socialism is in fact a very humane idea. All of Europe is mainly social-democratic, which is ok. Socialism becomes dangerous when mixed with nationalism, but there are also capitalists who are nationalists and pretty much war-hungry (like the Neocons in USA).

So, it has nothing to do with the system. It has to do with the bad people in power that try to represent the system.

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And so we need to worry about Russia launching a nuclear strike?

That doesn't make any sense.

As I said in a previous post - its not just nuclear missiles the Russians launch.

Plus - by placing a missile defence system and joining NATO tells the Russians - Do not try and interfere wit this Country or you have the US/NATO to answer to.

So far they have got the message. But you can't take anything for granted with the Russians - they are sly.
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