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Old 06-23-2008, 12:55 PM
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If Jesus Christ, Buddha, and Ghandi were all on stage with GW and they all swore an oath that Iran had nukes and each had professed that'd he'd seen them with their own eyes.....


...most of the left still wouldn't believe him.
Maybe that's because he squandered his credibility on this horrible mistake in Iraq?
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Maybe that's because he squandered his credibility on this horrible mistake in Iraq?
The amount of credibility he has is by and large based on how he's portrayed by the media, albeit he's no saint, but I truly think he makes his decisions with the countries best interests in mind.

If I had been President after 9/11 and I'd received information that this could happen again and maybe worse. I'd go to extremes, even putting my credibility on the line if it meant preventing another attack on our homeland, and so far, so good.

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If Jesus Christ, Buddha, and Ghandi were all on stage with GW and they all swore an oath that Iran had nukes and each had professed that'd he'd seen them with their own eyes.....


...most of the left still wouldn't believe him.
they would believe Buddha and Ghandi just not Jesus.
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I've said all along, and my cohorts from the XMFAN Rejects will recall I said this over there as well...

Iran can not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. And if there is CLEAR, INCONTROVERTABLE PROOF of such a device being constructed, then it would be wrong NOT to take action. This is one area where Obama and McCain are in complete accord.

But Bush CAN NOT do it the same way he did Iraq. There will have to be transparency this time! Not lies.
you are insistent that iran cannot possess nuclear weapons to such point you are willing to initiate a war should they be found to develop them. other than your absolute opposition to iran's ability to become a nuclear power you have offered us no reasoning why iran, unlike pakistan and israel in that region, should be attacked if it dares to assemble an equivalent nuclear deterrent of its own
so, what is it about iran having nuclear devices do you find so disagreeable you are willing to wage war (fought by others - of course) in order to prevent its becoming a nuclear power
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you are insistent that iran cannot possess nuclear weapons to such point you are willing to initiate a war should they be found to develop them. other than your absolute opposition to iran's ability to become a nuclear power you have offered us no reasoning why iran, unlike pakistan and israel in that region, should be attacked if it dares to assemble an equivalent nuclear deterrent of its own
so, what is it about iran having nuclear devices do you find so disagreeable you are willing to wage war (fought by others - of course) in order to prevent its becoming a nuclear power
Well let's look at the facts shall we?

Pakistan has been an ally of the US since the beginning of the 'War on Terrorism' and by invading them we would completely disrupt the power balance in South Asia. India and China both have competing claims for Kashmir and would quickly move in and capitalise on a US invasion of the country thus increasing their influence.

Israel has been a US 'ally' for so long because of the Geopolitical advantages a pro-Western state or 'American Outpost' has in the most oil rich region on the planet. Nazi's point to the power of the Jewish Lobby, but if you look at the facts it's quite clear why America supports Israel.

Iran stopped it's nuclear weapons program in 2003 shortly after the American invasion of Iraq. This is quite easy to interpret, the Iranians realised the Americans were taking no chances and quickly ended their 'WMD' program to avoid being invaded. However, we must continue to pressure them into not developing a Nuke because let's face it, do you really want Saudi Arabia, Egypt and God knows who else in the Middle East having access to Nuclear weapons? I mean, why would anyone want to add more nuclear powers to the region that is the most oil rich on the planet when we are paying $4.00 a gallon!?!?!?!??!
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Iran says they want nuke power to power their cities not weapons... But I've not heard of them building power lines and transfer stations for such a thing. If they truly need the energy why not use their own oil and use the money they are spending to build more oil refineries?
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(There is a video on the link showing Kristol's comments which is here.)

What more do you expect? This is already been discussed but it's quite interesting how Kristol decided to say it on a sunday mourning, a time when a lot of people will be watching? Is the 'Vast Right Wing Conspiracy' plotting to bomb Iran?

Iran doesn't have one nuclear weapon. We have 9,600 nuclear weapons. What is everybody so afraid of?

Besides Bush would not bomb Iran, it would make the U.S. look even more the bully on the block. He'll get Israel to start it and then we'll have jump in to aide them in their effort to kill those "freedom haters."

After all, the Middle East is the bulk of the far right wing's energy plan. They have the oil and we have the power to tackle regime change. Its working well in Iraq right?
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Iran doesn't have one nuclear weapon. We have 9,600 nuclear weapons. What is everybody so afraid of?
Want to guess how many of them it take to take out the major city you live in/near. You might sing a different tune if you'd lost someone to a terrorist attack. Not to mention, if you think Iran would be more responsible with them than the US, them I'm not sure your living in reality.

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After all, the Middle East is the bulk of the far right wing's energy plan. They have the oil and we have the power to tackle regime change. Its working well in Iraq right?
With all this oil flowing in from our global energy strategy in Iraq you'd think prices would be down at the pump...
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Bush's popularity is already in the tubes anyway, so he might as well ignore the liberals and bomb Iran.

*prays Obama does NOT become President*
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