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Old 12-08-2004, 11:13 AM
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Default Missile Defense to be Tested

Today's huge waste of time and money by the administration...

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Old 12-08-2004, 11:43 AM
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Why is it a waste of time and money?

Every administration since Regan has had the opportunity to dissolve this program...including Clinton. None of them have chosen to do so. Dont try to push this on Bush in any event.
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Why is it a waste of time and money?

Every administration since Regan has had the opportunity to dissolve this program...including Clinton. None of them have chosen to do so. Dont try to push this on Bush in any event.
A. It costs a lot.
B. It doesn't work.

I don't care what administrations have had the chance to cut it, it's a waste. Show me numbers showing Clinton put as much money toward it as Bush wants to.
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Default It doesn't work now

There's a long list of various technologies that didn't work when first tried. Let's start with flight. It is expensive, but I personally don't see how you put a price tag on the ability to stop a nuclear attack by Iran or NK.
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Default Actually, the article doesn't say it doesn't work now...

it says that they are testing basic aspects of it to make it operational by later in 2005.

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A. It costs a lot.
B. It doesn't work.
It doesnt work at all?

Cost is irrelevent where defense is concerned. How much are the lives of several million people worth to you?
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In earlier testing, which critics deride as highly scripted, the interceptors went five-for-eight when launched with the goal of hitting target missiles.
Five out of eight. Thats about 60% effective. Far from perfect, but also far better than the 0% protection we have now. Wouldnt you agree?

If a missile was coming at your city, would you prefer a 60% chance of survival or a 0% chance?
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That may be, the testing must be done to see if it works. But even if it does, the exact results of the tests won't be made available. Can it hit 100% of its targets (I would venture to guess no)? What's the cost of producing/maintaining the system? Are the costs justified? I don't think that a missile defense system is practical nor cost efficient. I think the money could be spent elsewhere.
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I don't think that a missile defense system is practical nor cost efficient.
Please define "cost efficient" in this context. Do you have a better suggestion of how to defend against a missile attack?
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It's called national security folks, and a clear deterrent for nuclear missile attack (even if it doesn't work).
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