Let's close the borders with Mexico, or let's actually patrol the borders and enforce the current laws. Let's put our military on our borders and enforce our laws. It sounds pretty reasonable to me, my parents came to America the legal way. Why should other people get a free pass?

There were around ten million Mexican voters in 2000. A 20% increase from 1996. Many of those are illegals. The more Bush caters to the illegals and the general Mexican population, the more apt they are to vote for him.

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poor argument.
Just because my parents had to wear school uniform in school, doesn't mean that I, and all my friends have to.

I can understand what your saying but there are illegal immigrants who have quite valid reasons for coming to the USA or ENGLAND, even though their valid reason may not be a pile of papers and visa cards....

imagine... a seventeen yr old girl... running away from her masters who rape her and force her to work fifteen hours a day... shez from India, and used to live in a village where her mother shipped her off to Turkey to work with som 'people' who would give her a job... these people turn out to be slave traffickers, and turn her into a prostitute.... she ran home, but her mother told her to go back because she needed the money...even though her daugter was in slavery, she refused to hide her, and turned her out the house.... so she seeks a place that will inable her to live freely... To get forms? to fill them in ?.... these things would not be on her mind... and we shud not expect her to have thought about it. She was in need of help....


If you're thinking it is a one in a million chance, its not.... there are absolutely thousands of these illegal immigrants... running away from terrible lives, and seeking the shelter of OUR FREEDOM

FREEDOM?
FREEDOM!!

what kind of life is it when yu do not have freedom?

The human soul has to have a freedom. And personally, i believe the human soul has a right to it.

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Can we have your mailing address so we can send the bill for expanding the military sufficiently to man the border to you? I certainly don't care to pay for it. If you had even the most minor first hand knowledge of the Mexican border, you would understand how silly your post is.

On the other hand, judging from your posts, I can see how you would be concerned at a large influx of mostly uneducated people that don't speak good English. Your prospects for cutting lawns as a career path may be in jeapordy.

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The human soul needs freedom?
Thats strange since a large portion of the world population seems to live fine without it.

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wow, not want freedom? well, I hear North-Korea is a good place to live these times...

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I wouldn't call it fine...

and i dont know about you, but what ive come to understand, is those that aren't 'free' to DO what they want, usually find a place of freedom within themselves... or find something they can do FOR themselves that will be inbetween what they 'have' to do.

I'd say the human soul needs freedom, yes. No one can live happily as a slave... no one would be 'fine' as a slave... would you?

I don't really know what you mean by the statement, most of the people are under slavery, but i can guess. I'll say what i think you mean, and then you can tell me, what you were getting at. I would really appreciate it if you could expand...

I think what you mean is responsibility?... Everyone 'has' to do something, such as go to school, look after their children, abide by the laws, earn money... there are things in every one's lives that they HAVE to do. And i supose you could call it 'slavery'...

Well, i agree, but from experience, there needs to be some time, where i can do what I want to do, so that i can express myself. This is personal freedom to express... everyone needs this don't they?
I'm sure some people can cope. Infact im sure alot of people can cope, but i wouldn't call them 'fine' or happy. I don't believe any human can live without expression... they become like robots. Cold, or drained... and i don't believe that people were made to be robots either. we were given choice. and slavery prohibits choice.

WELL Im saying that if ive guessed correctly... but please, tell me what you were trying to say.

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What i'm saying is that many people in, say Cambodia or southeast Asia in general, have no say in political matters, yet they live fine without the need to express themselves. That is not to say that they don't seek or believe in a free government, but in the long run it doesn't affect them significantly. Okay they don't have a say in politics, but if they did would it affect their lives that much? Okay, many will, but many will just say, "nothing has really changed in my life".

And don't bring up that "people who don't have freedom are robots" bull crap. These are not people living in slavery, they have a choice, and that is freedom. Now to say that people who lack political "freedom" are slaves, is ridiculous. Sure they might now have the say in their government, but they have the ability to control their own lives. This is to say that everyone has personal freedom (unless your a slave, prisoner, or what not)

I suppose my initial statement was slightly misleading; what I mean to say is that political freedom is not required in life. Personal freedom, to an extent is, but like I briefly stated before, one may not have any freedom beyond one's own choices, but still be able to live a good and respectable life.

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I understand your point, and I agree. A human can live without freedom, but their course of action through life is consequently limited. There is no requirement to life to possess a degree of freedom, of course one can't do many things with such contained freedom, but they still live.

Yes it would be a massive effort for our government to keep the borders closed. I came up with an idea a while ago for this problem which I'm sure some of you will call me names and I'll get **it over it but here it is:

How about we threaten Mexico. The next time a cop or civilian is killed by the hand of an illegal alien we give mexico two choices. Have the mexican police officers chase down the criminal who no doubt would run right back into mexico if our police were looking for him here. Then give the Mexican government no rights in deciding what happens to this criminal, then give this illegal immigrant criminal rights to defend himself but no rights to have lawyers or counsel. So he would need to defend himself, himself. Then take what ever the maximum sentence for legal citizens is for whatever crime they commit and double it. Then hand him back to Mexico with his sentence to be carried out in Mexico. Then lets slap this if you escape, come back to the us, and commit a crime again, you get the death sentence the second time around. well, for really serious crimes at least. The point of this harsh idea would be to scare people from crossing illegally, more than to actually prosecute people.

The second choice well it wouldn't really be a choice. It is if the Mexican government doesn't go along with what I wrote above we consider these Illegal immgrants who commit these crimes millitants in acts of war. How quickly do you think Mexico would control there side of the borders if we
did this?

So ther it is my idea of a cheap way of handling the border issue. Go ahead say what you will now.