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Old 07-11-2005, 04:02 PM
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What are you basing that figure on? If it happens even once in the next 40 years or so, the figure goes above 1%.
Or maybe we just got unlucky.

Here are what some experts say:

http://www.essaysample.com/essay/003288.html
Okay, it's a sample college essay. But the main source estimates that an accidental launch might happen once every 20,000 years.

http://www.nipp.org/5.php
An analysis. Go to the "accidental launch" section for a detailed explanation of why an accidental launch is highly unlikely.

There's always more to be done, but the fact is that the sort of accidental launch that our missile defense system might be able to stop even if fully operational and 100% effective is highly unlikely to occur.
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$7 trillion on an alien defense system. After all, the alternatives are far worse. I saw War of the Worlds. Trust me. We need it. Sure the odds are very slim. So what? Sure, hundreds of millions of lives could be saved spending the money sanely. But so what? If the aliens come we are ALL dead. Long shot? Sure. But the alternative is worse. Now I know no aliens are threatening now. And they have never attacked us before. But what if the did? I say we raise taxes to 80% and build the system. Otherwise there's a 0.00001% chance we could be alien fish food.

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Everything from the atomic bomb to the stealth fighter to the Patriot took many tests, misfires, and retests before success. I see no reason why this will be any different, I do believe the technology is workable and eventually useable.
really! That's funny. Actually all the early a bomb tests worked including the trinity test.

"The Project culminated in the design, production, and detonation of three nuclear weapons in 1945. The first was on July 16: "Trinity", the world's first nuclear test, near Alamogordo, New Mexico. The second was the weapon "Little Boy", detonated on August 6, over the city of Hiroshima, Japan. The third was the weapon "Fat Man", detonated on August 9, over the city of Nagasaki, Japan."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_project

We have a working stealth fighter? We have the F-22. It's not in production yet though.
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Once again, in bizarre-o demo world, only bad news is considered good news. You people never cease to amaze me! But keep it up! I've grown very accustomed to Republicans winning elections, and I certainly do not expect any change so long as demos stay true to their game plan.

Well if the system actually worked I would be all for it. But it don't work. And it's designed for a scenario that most likely would never occur. If we want to spend tens of billions of dollars just to create a counter measure to north Korea then why don't we pay to move the capital of South Korea further south and invade and take North Korea.

The Necons game plan will cause self destruction of the Republican parties stranglehold on America soon enough.
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I am only amazed at how each and every bit of negative news is celebrated by those in the demo party! It really amazes me! Demos search long and hard to find something negative about America to post. And when they find something, it is posted with glee and joy! Oh boy! Something negative about the US is certain to be good news!

This is what losers do. And demos have grown very accustomed to losing.
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Okay, it's a sample college essay. But the main source estimates that an accidental launch might happen once every 20,000 years.
Found this via a casual google search:

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The possibility of human error or mechanical failure triggering a potentially devastating series of events remains very real. Much of Russia's military infrastructure -- including its early warning radar systems -- has fallen into disrepair. Also, many of the Soviet-era radars are now in non-Russian territory.

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Bruce Blair, a former Minuteman missile launch officer and now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, says the main nuclear threat in the post-Cold War era is not from deliberate attack by Russia or the United States.

"Both our forces are cocked on hair-triggers," he said. "Both sides can retarget a missile in seconds -- just a few strokes on a keyboard."


http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war.../12/spotlight/
It is no secret that close calls (accidental launches) have occurred in the past. You are willing to just cross your fingers and hope for the best?

An accidental launch doesnt necessarily mean someone bumps a switch. It means that the defense system of one or both nations believes that an attack is occuring.

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$7 trillion on an alien defense system. After all, the alternatives are far worse.
How so? Can you prove aliens exist?

By contrast, we KNOW nukes exist, and we KNOW that close calls can happen. Your analogy is inaccurate.

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Sure the odds are very slim.
Can you prove they arent zero?

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What alternative is that?

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We have a working stealth fighter? We have the F-22. It's not in production yet though.
It went into production early this year actually - http://www.af.mil/mediacenter/pressr...prID=123006677 -

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Well if the system actually worked I would be all for it. But it don't work. And it's designed for a scenario that most likely would never occur.
You are apparently willing to roll the dice and hope for the best. I am not.

The system will work eventually. That is why China is sweating about it. The hard part is done. We can hit a missile with a missile.

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If we want to spend tens of billions of dollars just to create a counter measure to north Korea then why don't we pay to move the capital of South Korea further south and invade and take North Korea.
It is not just a counter to NK. As I explained before, it is also a defense against accidental launches from existing nuclear powers.

Missile attack is the only form of attack we are 100% vulnerable to.
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Default social programs>>>>>> tillion dollars in missile defense

Sorry guy a tillion dollars is spent to shot down a missile that has a tracking device on a good day is bad way to spend your money. China would never attack us with a missile it would use other mean like economical, I mean most of our products and job are being sent over there. China is not stupid, it would use more intelligent means. I'm getting that many of you never lived in bad neigborhood. I would rather spend my money combating the growing gang problem that consume our youth that could be come the next Malcom X or Wayne Dryer. I guess cutting social programs that help a lot of fatherless kids is worse than shooting a dummy missile on a sunny a perfect day.
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Sorry guy a tillion dollars is spent to shot down a missile that has a tracking device on a good day is bad way to spend your money. China would never attack us with a missile it would use other mean like economical, I mean most of our products and job are being sent over there. China is not stupid, it would use more intelligent means. I'm getting that many of you never lived in bad neigborhood. I would rather spend my money combating the growing gang problem that consume our youth that could be come the next Malcom X or Wayne Dryer. I guess cutting social programs that help a lot of fatherless kids is worse than shooting a dummy missile on a sunny a perfect day.
Right on man!

The battle that is being waged today is a battle of economics with a side show of terrorism and unconventional warfare.

Trying to recreate Americas armed forces to have been able to win the war in Vietnam is a total waist of time!
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I am only amazed at how each and every bit of negative news is celebrated by those in the demo party! It really amazes me! Demos search long and hard to find something negative about America to post. And when they find something, it is posted with glee and joy! Oh boy! Something negative about the US is certain to be good news!

This is what losers do. And demos have grown very accustomed to losing.
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It is all really simple. Is it worth $1 trillion we don't have to build a system that may never work to protect us from something with a miniscule (at best) chance of ever happening? I may be crazy, but that in no way passes the cost/benefit test. As econ dude I will simply say they are nuts. Completely nuts. But then again, it's not their money. If we knew it would work and it cost far less, maybe. But the equation is way too far off. It's not even close.
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