We'll be the worst American generation ever if we just pass this war on to our kids

We are in danger of being the worst generation in American history, as if we don't finish this war we will be the first generation to just hand an endless war to our children's generation. "Sorry we couldn't defeat the Jihad so here you go kids, your turn, good luck." The "greatest generation" defeated their enemy, so let's defeat ours.

Obama has no plan to end this war.

Question: we obviously don't want to be the worst generation, so how do we end this endless war, permanently, to spare our kids from having to deal with it?

Me, the only way I can see is to discredit Islam, but what thoughts do you have?

 

We should continue to attack and destroy ISIS and AQ.

And, we could promote stability and governance in middle-eastern countries instead of destroying it like we did in Libya and Syria. It is in the absence of responsible governance that AQ and ISIS can exist.

 

Well the kids will not have jobs, a huge national debt and continued social chaos thanks to democrats so a war might be the distraction they need.

 

Iraq too. A hard lesson to learn, the dictators of the middle east serve the purpose of stabilization of the region.

 

Excellent sentiment and motive for ending this complex conflict.

There are two parts .

One the war as it is now and it's origins, 9/11.

Two, the true psychological reason for Idlamic fanaticism.

Niether are seen with any accuracy what so ever and MASSIVE political correctness has blocked our understanding for 15years with 9/11, and 2,016 years for the fanatacism.

Islam can be discredited in a way Islam will respect, but we will have to deal with our 2,000 year political correctness issue to do it.

 

When the only tool Uncle Sam has is a hammer, every problem resembles a nail. The US has forsaken the carrot and increased its use of the stick.

The perpetuation of conflict with Muslims is mired in the US psyche where Muslims and Arabs in general are regarded as sand n--gers by the majority of the USA population.

USA has been afraid to address the source of Islamic Jihadism in Saudi Arabia and this failure will ensure that Sunni Muslims fomented by Saudi inspired radicalism will keep emerging to foment conflict.

Diagnosis: Uncle Sam has an incurable malady

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4...1-what-makes-a-terrorist-hd_school?start=2199

This is a war not quite like our prior wars, we are not fighting against an enemy nation, we are in fact fighting against terrorism itself. Realistically, we are never going to rid the world of terrorism, nor is terrorism ever going to sign a formal declaration of surrender, or a peace treaty. Thus the war on terror doesn't end until we decide we are done fighting it

So far the war on terror has lasted 15 years and killed over 1.3 million people worldwide

 

political correctness?

You mean the US/UK destabilising a region by meddling in countries they shouldnt have been involved in? Just like european countries did for decades in africa and the US did for decades in latin america? Those country only recovered in part after that stopped.

 

So what do you think should be done?

 

The so called "War on Terror" is a complete and utter sham being nothing more than the propaganda tool the US uses to justify its Unconstitutional use of force abroad. To end this war all we have to do stop trading with countries that actively and overtly wish us harm. First and foremost among these is Saudi Arabia and most of the OPEC nations. In order to do that we must stop using oil for energy, but that is something we are going to have to stop sooner or later anyway. We could do this with fairly little economic dislocation overall but it would almost unavoidably entail placing most of its consequent economic reverses squarely on the shoulders of those most responsible for starting the problem and most able to withstand it, that is, the oil companies; so I confidently expect our great-grandchildren will still be sent to die in somewhere in the ME well into the next century and beyond while we continue to discuss killing all the world's 1.5 billion Muslims as the only viable way to make them love us

 

Perhaps the first thing is to understand that this is not a unique situation. Christianity and Islam have been at each others throats before, and it was eventually won by simply putting our collective feet down and killing muslims on sight.

This idea that an ideological war is somehow different from other wars is incorrect. Wasn't WW2 an ideological war? Wasn't Korea? Vietnam?

It's hard for people who think diversity is a good thing to understand, or that there should be freedom of religion, but it is quite simply an ideological war, and we have to realize that it is an ideological war, so you kill everybody who espouses the ideology we are at war with.

Or we could give up, which is what Obama and Merkel did, and open the gates, just like the romans eventually opened the gates to the visigoths.

Are we the worst generation? Of course! No other American generation has lost a war on our own land, unless you count the civil war.

 

What, precisely, do you mean by "discredit" when you talk about Islam?

 

So we should simply kill 1.5 billion people, the very vast majority of which have never done us harm nor do they wish to?

You do realize that you are proposing a genocide beyond which any in human history, including the Holocaust, pales into complete and utter insignificance?

Oh, and there never really was any war with Islam in the Middle Ages because there really wasn't any "Islam" nor has there ever really been. You need to read some real actual BOOKs on world history instead of just listening to Rush, Glenn, Donald and the other various "experts" on Fox news.

 

Probably just disengage from the middle east and focus on homeland security. Until a hostile power is aiming ICBMs at us (like North Korea), or they actually try to attack us, we can stay out. And when we go in, we kill and then we leave. There's no point in staying. These countries can't be rehabilitated. Over time jihadi sentiments will die down after we mind our own business for a few decades. Israel makes it hard for it to go away completely, though.

 

The vast majority of germans and japanese never did us any harm during ww2 either. That didn't stop Truman firebombing dresden and tokyo before dropping atomic bombs on two civilian targets.

Am I proposing genocide? I have said nothing about what should be done. Only that these are the facts, this is the history, and it is what it is.

Are we at war? If so, who are we at war with? Let's kill them all, surrender, or be beaten.

That is the essence of war.

Are we not at war? Okay, so we can bring our troops home so they can go back to being farmers and construction workers.

If we are at war, then we kill everybody we are at war with.

 

Like, what does it feel like to fall off the turnip truck?

 

lol wut?

Well, I guess if I were to listen to your version of history, there were never any crusades or an islamic infestation of Europe.

Unfortunately for you, I do know a bit about history. So yeah, you're either lying or ignorant here.

 

The Middle East is where the overwhelming majority of the world's oil comes from. Gawd. America is much better served by occupying the ME and controlling oil distribution than by nuking the most important global commodity.

 

So we killed all the Germans? The Japanese people are a memory now?

We are not at war with every Muslim that exists, only a very, VERY minor sect of a much, MUCH vaster religion, a tiny heresy that is universally hated by the main body. It's very much as if somebody would be saying we should kill YOU because of some wrong done them by the Westboro Baptists or the Branch Davidians.

Jihadists are, in fact, much, MUCH more of a problem for the world's Muslims than they are for us, so what you are proposing is that we kill the main VICTIMS of terror along with the terrorists.

That is MADNESS, simple, pure and utter insanity.

 

Actually, we have the most oil now. But yeah, we should just annex the middle east. Either that or get out of there.

Realistically, we couldn't do that, so just get out of there, and keep them out of our country.

 

Who started the Crusades?

What is this "Islamic infestation". What did it consist of? More importantly, who did it, when and how?

 

No, we didn't do that, however this explains your statement that islam has never existed. You're just ignorant. Sorry, but we didn't kill all the germans, we didn't kill all the Japanese, the crusades actually happened, and Islam is an ideology that about 1.5 billion people currently believe in.

sigh... so now you're saying that there ARE muslims? Can you make up your mind?

If they're not our problem, then lets get out of there now!

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I'm not being paid to teach you history. Google is your friend.

 

Well you know pandora's box . It will take generation(s) so the best to do is damage control.
You dont repair a disfunctional society/country/region in months or years.

There is no easy answer its a very complicated almost global issue now that needs the involvment of something like UN/NATO in full to stabilise the region. Something that might cost thousands of lives and trillions. If its doable at all.

 

Christians have been at each others throaths for even longer ...

WW2 wasnt korea and vietnam arguably also not.

You should read some history the fall of the roman empire was about economics not immigration.

 

Wel the crusades was christians invading .

The one after the christian infestation of europe?