Gun Related Deaths In America 2012

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  1. beenthere

    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2005/01/gun-ownership-goes-up-crime-goes-down.html
    Wednesday, January 12, 2005
    Gun Ownership goes up, crime goes down

    http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/as_personal_gun_ownership_in_michigan_goes_up_crime_goes_down/
    As Personal Gun Ownership In Michigan Goes Up, Crime Goes Down

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/violent-crime-declines-as-american-gun-ownership-rises
    May 24, 2010
    Violent crime declines as American gun ownership rises


    http://personalliberty.com/2010/09/...ership-is-up-violent-crime-is-down-800068807/
    FBI Report: Gun Ownership Is Up, Violent Crime Is Down

    September 20, 2010

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...less-violent-crime-as-the-bad-guys-run-or-die
    More Guns, Less Violent Crime as the Bad Guys Run or Die

    More guns, less crime: Thanks to the Founding Fathers, we're as safe as in our mothers' arms

    April 20, 2009



    Need I keep going????
     
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    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    Let's see how well your beloved Australia does in the over all crime rates of the world, shall we???;

    http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/T24FR56I1DVSCKJFI
    In most categories of crime, England and Wales compete with Australia for the top spot. Switzerland, Japan and Northern Ireland are consistently among the most crime-free.


    http://www.wnd.com/2001/03/8340/
    Britain, Australia top U.S.
    in violent crime

    Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures
    Published: 03/02/2001 at 1:00 AM


    After your beloved gun banned??? What on earth happened???

    And then we have this one;


    http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html
    RESULTS OF THE '96/'97 AUSTRALIAN GUN LAWS &
    "BUYBACK" (&/or OTHER CHANGES THAT BEGAN AT
    ABOUT THE SAME TIME)
    22 June 09


    Assult rates went up after the gun ban in Australia??? Heavens NOOOO;


    http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html
    Looking at the graph of the Australian assault rates from 1991 through 2004, it appears that something bad was at work in Australia until near the end of that period. The assault rate increased every year at a high rate. (And, in fact, for many years preceding.) Note, too, that the rates do not vary much from the basic trend. This means that the data are not affected by chance as much as it is by underlying causes. The relationship seen is a reliable one.


    Need I say more???
     
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    Beenthere.

    I clicked on your links, now i feel disgusted from doing so. The topix story with the headline including the word "worst"

    Confirms why i dislike urls on forums. They are usually from websites, authored from journalists with no literary standards. But i do appreciate your optimism to try and prove guns equal less crime by using the gutter press. It is fascinating and strangly amusing.
     
  4. beenthere

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    More guns, less crime;

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/more_guns_less_crime_in_09.html
    Americans went on binges buying guns and ammunition in early 2009, worried that a radical leftist president and Democrat-dominated Congress would violate their Second-Amendment rights to keep and bear arms. The effects? Less murder, robbery, rape, and property crime, according to an FBI report released Monday




    http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=6492241

    Monday, December 21, 2009

    Violent crime in the United States, including murder and robbery, dropped 4.4 percent in the first half of 2009.



    To me Gun control simple means tighter groups. At a hundred yards if I put them all with in a half an inche I have REAL control over that gun!!!
     
  5. beenthere

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    And who WAS the Government in the Colonies in 1776???

    It was also to keep the new American government in check.

    Do we still have an over bearing Government that needs to be keep in check???
     
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    I didn't think you would like the word "Worst". Now, did the over all crime rate go up after the gun ban??? Just answer that question.
     
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    And we just KNOW you will like this one;


    http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html
    One would expect that accidental deaths would fall after reduction of firearm prevalence, although there is a very small degree of substitution of method for accidental deaths (because accidents largely happen to people who are accident prone). The rates had somewhat leveled off just prior to '96 (3 years). Surprisingly, the rates headed upward for the several years since 1996. It was too soon for accidents to start rising from people not getting safety training because they weren't supposed to have guns. Did a lot of untrained people quickly acquire unregistered guns illegally while they still could, in anticipation of the time when they wouldn't be able to? Did hiding guns lead to accidents
     
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    First, use linkable content from journalists with a higher degree of intelligence.

    Example of Wnd.com. Before i even get to the story i am presented with a google ad "chinese lady for dating"

    Is this really what you want forum regulars to read?
     
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    Oh, you mean like the ones that agree with you??? Hahahahahahahaha, typical liberal!!!
     
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    Notice the difference in our strategy. I refer directly to primary research that empirically tests the impact of gun effects. You refer to instead to poor secondary sources that are focused purely on using spurious relationship to convince the gullible
     
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    I must admit that was funny! You are wasted on forums, sir. Try stand up comedy.

    But if i did take links seriously on forums, i would read Reivers and Archers links who are seriously trying to win this battle.

    And not 3rd grade amatuer journalists who write a few parapgraphs of jignostic hoop La.
     
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    Many are also gullible when presented with an authority figure.
     
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    Objective literature review methods are empowering. Its reliance on being told what to think by cretinous secondary source that's the problem!
     
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    Hey Reiv,

    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

    Care to comment on the "murder" column??? In 2010 it's about the same as it was in 1969, and we have over twice the population. And, Reiv, this is murder done with all weapons. In fact all crimes are down from their previous highs. And you don't think people arming themselfs has anything to do with it???
     
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    And the UK has changed the way thay count crimes, isn't that convenant;

    http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/public...ime-research/hosb1011/hosb1011snr?view=Binary

    And homoicide is Up by 4%? I wonder how much it would be up if they went back to the "old" way of counting.

    I just LOVE the way your beloved Australia counts crimes, people over ... age.

    http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/productsbyCatalogue/669C5A997EAED891CA2568A900139405/

    Persons aged 15 years and over

    44,100 (0.3%) persons aged 18 years and over were victims of at least one sexual assault

    And here you only have a population of less than 22 million.

    The U.S. meanwhile had 84,767 rapes. And we have a population of 308 million and we counted them of all ages.

    And you had 770,600 (4.8%) persons were victims of at least one assault while the U.S. had 778,901. Oh, where am I getting my figures for the U.S.;

    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

    Is that good enough for you???

    Shall we continue?? 58,900 (0.4%) persons were victims of at least one robbery while the U.S. had 367,832 and we are over 10 times the population. Hey, Reiv, per capita, your beloved Australia is much more violent than the U.S..
     
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    That the murder rate is so variable supports the obvious: there are multiple factors that impact on crime. This of course ensures that we need to adopt quantitative methods that are capable of isolating gun effects. You've essentially informed the NRA-types on here that they are in error and have been peddling spurious relationship.
     
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    British 'official crime data' could not be used for time series analysis because it was limited by definition inconsistencies. For example, Police Authorities would differ in how they treated bogus emergency calls. It gets even worse when we consider 'hidden crime', where we find that the probability of being a victim of crime and probability of reporting that crime aren't consistently relate to the business cycle

    You won't be able to find one empirical source that shows trends in our homicide rate is related to the handgun ban.
     
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    You must remember this,folks......Reiver is NEVER wrong, and only Reivers data is the correct one,all other sources are 'spurious'
     
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    My data? Not a cunning comment! I refer directly to the primary research, ensuring thereby that appropriate empirical methodologies are adopted. I don't hide, nor do I ask for the NRA to tell me what to think. Individualism in action!
     
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    Yes. All research is valid; thus, the research that is counter to your chosen research is also valid.
     
  24. Reiver

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    The objective study of the evidence involves an ability to critique. For example, its very easy to discount publications by Lott. Not of course by 'foot stamping' that he's wrong and I know better (I leave those tactics to the NRA zombies). No, by showing that his results are reliant on flawed empirical methodology
     
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    No, you just let Anti gun propaganda color your posts saying things like 'the NRA tells us what to think......'

    I've held my views on the right to bear arms long before I finally joined the NRA
     
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