Rick Santorum openly admits to wanting Christian theocracy

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  1. Anansi the Spider

    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    Though of course atheists have an even worse record.

    Strangely this went unnoticed by Constitutional scholars for centuries. lol

    Polygamists could just as easily claim discrimination. Are laws against polygamy also unconstitutional?
     
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    And so were the laws against men having sex with animals.

    Do you want to do away with them too?

    The fact is that homosexual men have the same right to marry that straight me do since both are free to marry any woman that will have them.

    That's as equal under the law as it can be.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    This is false. Murder is the wrongful violation of the inalienable Right to Life of a person and that is where laws prohibiting murder comes from. The fact that "religion" might also condemn murder, except when it's been done for religious reasons historically, is purely coincidental.

    Actually many societies, including Native-American societies, accepted homosexuality as normal behavior. These were termed the "Two-Spirit People" and were highly regarded in Native-American culture.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit

    There are also "laws" that recognized homosexual behavior going back to Roman times.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

    Chinese culture also accepted homosexuality often referred to as "the passion of the cut sleeve" or "the bitten peach" but also maintianed a belief in establishing heredity and family lineage.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_China

    Cultural anthropoligists have cited numerous societies where homosexuality was not only tolerated as a norm within society but also highly embraced within the society.

    BTW the USSR did not have the US Constitution and the Bill of Rigths and was a tyrannical nation in numerous regards. The question here is why would Rick Santorum or any religious zealot oppose the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment?

    The tyranny that religion could impose has rightfully been opposed by Americans since the founding of the United States. We should no more allow religious tyranny today than when Thomas Jefferson sought office in 1800.
     
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    Where do you think the idea of right to life came from if not religion?

    As for the Soviet Union it did not reject homosexual marriage on religious grounds because the Soviets rejected religion.

    It simply did not allow such an unnatural practice as gay marriage.

    Also there were many native tribes who may have harbored a number of weird ideas including cannibalism .

    So I would not use them as an irrefutable guide for humanity.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    If an individual cannot separate their religious beliefs from their political beliefs then they cannot logically and in good faith swear the following oath of office to be president:

    If Rich Santorum cannot preserve, protect and defend the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment when it comes to same-gender marriage then he cannot truthfully swear this oath. He has already signed the NOM pledge which endorses actions that would violate the equal protection clause for same-gender couples seeking the legal institution of marriage. He has also sworn an oath in the NOM pledge to create Constitutional denial of equal protection under the Constitution with the proposed "marriage" amendment.

    Rick Santorum maybe a very religious person but he's unqualified to be the president of the United States or hold any public office in the United States that requires an oath of office to preserve, protect and defend the US Constitution. Such an oath establishes the supremacy of the Constitution over personal religious beliefs.
     
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    Good point.

    quote about Communist brutality toward homosexuals: Following the 1959 revolution, Cuba's communist government embarked upon a pervasive effort to rid the nation of homosexuality, which was seen as a product of a capitalist society. Through the 1960s and 1970s this campaign included the frequent imprisonment of lesbians and gays (particularly effeminate males) without charge or trial, and confinement to forced labor camps.

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    Almost all societies have discouraged homosexuality. Even ancient Greece.

    quote from a review of Bruce S. Thornton's Eros: The Myth of Ancient Greek Sexuality: Thornton's fourth chapter, "The Monsters of Appetite," deals with Greek attitudes towards passive homosexuality, which were universally hostile. He argues that the passive homosexual's adoption of feminine dress, mannerisms, and role show that the heterosexual paradigm was considered natural. Penetration of the passive homosexual was considered unnatural and unmanly, and Thornton cites evidence from varied sources for what he considers "the rich vocabulary of abuse centered on buggery, including a consistent association of passive homosexuality with 'shame' and 'outrage'."

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    Why? Disease is one answer - homosexuality is associated with a number of deadly diseases. Also homosexual relations don't produce any children. No society that celebrates the lifestyle can endure.

    I certainly don't condone Castro's brutality towards homosexuals, but I think the government shouldn't fund the celebration of this lifestyle.
     
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    What absurd nonsense. Its freedom OF religion, not freedom from religion. And its always been "god and country", not country and god

    George Washington
    1st U.S. President

    "While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."

    John Adams
    2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

    Samuel Adams
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Father of the American Revolution

    "And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."

    Patrick Henry
    Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

    "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
     
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    Hmmm, sounds to me like YOU might be the hater...

    He isn't being very realistic, granted. But your fear of religion is getting pretty close to out of control.
     
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    The concept of murder predates any religions created by mankind. Of course "religion" typically endorses murder if it's for the sake of the religion. This is especially true for the Christian religion that was literally responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of "non-believers" historically.

    Rick Santorum rejects same-gender marriage and homosexuality based solely upon his bigoted religious beliefs and he rejects the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment because of his personal religious beliefs.

    A very good comparison between primative cultures that engaged in practices like cannibalism based upon their religious beliefs and Rick Santorum that would violate the inalienable Rights of Americans based upon his religious beliefs. I wouldn't have thought of this comparison.
     
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    All three of those things are true.

    Liberalism supports its followers, (aka drones) in dreadfully fearing religion .

    It's kind of amazing that people would be so enamored with smoking dope and boning their live-in girlfriends or boinking someone of the same sex, that they fear the loss of those "freedoms" (slaveries) so much so that their fear of religion almost stinks up the air. :) Peace to them, in any case.
     
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    Laughable! lol By this logic no president has ever been qualified to hold the office since no president (including Obama) has accepted your interpretation of the Constitution.
     
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    Good points. If homosexuality was a normality of nature, Mother Nature (aka evolution) would not have caused there to be two opposite human genders necessary for the generation of the species. Mother Nature (aka evolution) made SOME species capable of one-gender multiplication, she/he/it could have done it with the human species.
     
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    Ah yes the Henry Ford statement - you can marry any partner you want as long as its female.

    As for laws against animals; ready for this? Take a deep breath!

    Animals cant consent.

    Next argument.
     
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    Where do your beliefs come from?

    MTV?

    The Learning Channel?

    Religion dates back to the beginning of civilization and is an inescapable part of our culture.

    If you believe it is wrong to kill that is a value that stems from religion.
     
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    Precisely.

    All men are treated equally under the law since every man is free to marry the woman of his choice.
     
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    I'm with you on the animal thing but I can remember when liberals and conservatives alike laughed at the idea of two homosexuals getting married.

    They just wanted to be left alone in the privacy of their bedrooms we were told.

    Boy they sure fooled us, didn't they?

    The same will be true for bestiality once the lib lawyers take it up as their next cause.
     
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    This is an argument for racial discrimination where several states had statutory prohibitions against interracial marriage. These laws stated a person could marry anyone of the opposite gender so long as that person was of the same race.

    When are we going to end the invidiuos discrimination under the marriage laws? Racial discrimination was unconstitutional and gender discrimination is unconstitutional. Both forms of discrimination violate the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
     
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    How was that racial discrimination?

    Which race was being discriminated against?
     
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    Wow, where did Rick say he wanted a Theocracy?

    What a joke of a thread. Can't believe it's still open, the title and entire point of the thread is completely fabricated.
     
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    Then we'll have to protect our children AND our pets and farm animals. No wonder leftist want to revoke the 2nd amendment.
     
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    Personally I expect an elected politician to take their oath of office seriously but, as we see, they often don't. Just looking at President Obama and former President Bush both have violated the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 14th Amendments to the US Constitution and these are easily documented constitutional violations.

    That doesn't imply that we, the American People, should be endorsing these Constitutional violations.
     
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    Not really. Let's look at China's two most important philosophies:

    Confucianism

    The Confucian moral code emphasizes a person's responsibility to family and society. Confucians are expected to get married and have children; this is their responsibility to their parents and their ancestors. A male's duty is to have male children to pass on his family name; a female's duty is to bear her husband male children to carry on his family name. Homosexuality cannot result in reproduction; this is the main reason why Confucians disapprove of it. However, there are records of married men who took male lovers, which was seen as a private matter.
    Confucianism stresses an individual's obligations of filial piety to his parents and loyalty to his country. If a one's parents forbade one from engaging in homosexuality, or if the state outlawed homosexuality (as was the case in China between 1740 and 1997), one would be expected to comply with these orders.

    Daoism

    Daoism stresses the relationship between yin and yang: two opposing forces which maintain harmony through balance. The Daoist tradition holds that males need the energies of females, and vice versa, in order to bring about balance, completion, and transformation. Heterosexual relations is seen as the physical and emotional embodiment of the harmonious balance between yin and yang. Homosexuality is seen as the union of two yins or two yangs, and therefore unbalanced; hence it does not lead to human fulfillment. Same-sex sexual practices are thought to make people susceptible to illness.

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    Please don't use the suffering of African Americans to push the gay activist agenda.

    Most African Americans wouldn't want you to use their suffering. Few support the latest fad in American decadence.

    70% of African Americans backed Prop. 8, exit poll finds
     
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    In reality the violation of the equal protection clause for any reason violates the Rights of All Americans.

    In the case of Loving v Virginia the Supreme Court did establish that racial discrimination was the foundation for the laws.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

    While "White Supremacy" is noted it must also be recognized that these anti-miscegenation laws also discriminated against whites as well as blacks. The inalienable Rights of both were discriminated against.

    This is something that flies right over the head of people like Rick Santorum. The denial of same-gender marriage violates the inalienable Rights of All Americans whether they are homosexuals or not.
     
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    I would ask how many African-Americans endorse discrimination under the law as has been repeatedly documented related to the prohibitions against same-gender marriage. Is there a poll that asked that question?

    African-Americans have certainly benefited from this clause in the 14th Amendment and I seriously doubt that they would knowingly oppose it's enforcement in any situation.

    Let us remember though that the leading advocates of prohibitionss against same-gender marriage is the National Organization for Marriage, a well know front organization for the Mormon Church, and it has spent tens of millions of dollars in propaganda to impose it's religious intolerance of homosexuals under the law. This is the very same Mormon Church that supported racial discrimination against African-Americans up until the 1970's. The Mormon Church has a long history of promoting invidious discrimination that violates the equal protection clause.
     
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