Oklahoma Senate overwhelmingly approves bill saying life begins at conception

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  1. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Yes, and it will backfire. Just imagine, pro life woman turns up at hospital after having a miscarriage and instead she is treated like a criminal because she might have had an abortion instead!
     
  2. Whaler17

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    That alone does. Why should we consider the person less than a person purely because of age?
     
  3. Whaler17

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    Absurd!!!! Even Roe disagrees with that nonsense.
     
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    More uneducated nonsense. A newborn is anything but independent!
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    What does the law say about it?
     
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    They are both dependent, so no actual difference that matters.
     
  7. Whaler17

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    Ever hear the term "surrogate Mother"

    How is that any different?
     
  8. Whaler17

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    There is no9 logic t your point of view whatsoever.
     
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    More irrational emotional hysteria. Typical.
     
  10. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    If an embryo is a person, how can you prove whether a woman had an abortion or a miscarriage without examining her?
     
  11. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    There will be emotional hysteria from the lifers when their plans backfire.
     
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    Considering all things human to be people seems like a better example of that not nesicairly a person to me but then age would at least be a factor
     
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    has everyone forgot about the supreme court decision on roe v wade? Oklahoma nor Virginia can legally pass any of these bills. The supreme court will shoot them down with a quickness. Let scientists and Medical Doctors make these decisions not politicians. we have bigger problems in this country than when life starts. try taking a fetus out of the womb and see how long it survives? It wont thus it is not a person until it can survive on its own. I can't believe how ignorant people are.
     
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    No need. science and common sense is on our side.
     
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    REALLY? You think the current SCOTUS will blindly follow a 40 year old ruling?

    :laughing:
     
  16. Giftedone

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    Persons under 21 can not drink alcohol... persons under a certain age can not join the army or drive cars.

    The reason zygotes even less rights than people is is because they are not people.
     
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    I find it interesting how libs stand for abortion rights and claim the right has no moral ground because they believe in the death penalty.

    Lets turn this tanker round here for a sec.

    How can a person that is against the death penalty be pro choice?

    How can a person who wants to give other peoples money away to the less fortunate be pro choice?

    How can a person who wants to take guns out of the hands of Americans to save innocent lives be pro choice?

    Interesting to say the least.
     
  18. diamond lil

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    Because I care about people.

    Because I care about people.

    because I care about people

    I'm glad you think so.
     
  19. Archer0915

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    No you care about who you choose to care for. You have determined that one life is better than another.

    If you actually believed what you say then it would apply to unborn children as well.

    Lets get off this crap. The fact is people are interested in pushing their views even when they are contradictory. There is no high ground here because everyone does it.

    Because you care about people? Do you care about those busting their asses to get to the six figure a year range? You don't mind hurting them.
     
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    im for the death penalty and guns and don’t have much of an economic opinion can i still be for abortion?
     
  21. Archer0915

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    Hey you can however you want. I was making observations. I am personally Pro-Death. The more unwanted they kill now the less me and mine have to deal with later.
     
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    Thin ice. Very thin ice.

    Derp, it broke.

    A baby developed enough to survive outside the womb can be nursed and cared for by anyone. It does not require it's mother any longer. If it did, babies from mother's who die in child birth would die also.

    While the baby is inside the womb, and definitely before the time where it could survive outside the womb with care(from anyone), it is a connected part of it's mother's body. Your rights end where her skin begins.
     
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    You just proved my point....lol. Somebody is goin to have to take care of the baby, 9 out of 10 times it's mommy. Ok? If its not mommy, it's another human being.

    Regardless, baby requires someone else taking care of him b/c he can't do it on his own, no different then being in the womb.

    Y'all want to sit here and act like its not mom who takes care of the child....lol. It's a stupid and weak premise.
     
  24. Iolo

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    I heard that 'Okie' was a contemptuous term once. Has the place not changed?
     
  25. Junkieturtle

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    You're not getting it. It can be anyone that takes care of it, but the baby itself will survive outside the womb as long as it receives care. Before it's physically able to do that, it is not a viable human being. Before it has formed to the point that it is actually ABLE to live outside the womb, at all, regardless of who's caring for it, it's not a viable human being.

    You may want to work on this argument. Anyone with a 5th grade understanding of biology will understand the difference.
     

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