Perestroika/Glasnost

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  1. Potap

    Potap Well-Known Member

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    Why do you think all users from Russia are Russians ethnically? Russia is the multiethnic country. And how many Armenians, Kazakhs and Uzbeks have you seen here to judge of their opinion?
    After disintegration of the USSR republics of Central Asia have fallen in poverty and savagery. Tadjikistan has gone through civil war which costs about 400 thousand human lives. Now about 40% of the working-age male population of this country work as gastarbeiters in Russia for 200 - 300 dollars a month and consider this are good salary. A computer is a rarity in an Central Asian family, the biger rarity is a person which has a sufficient education to speak and write in English. Turkmenistan is the closed country where is no Internet.
    Coming back to a role of persons who have disorganized USSR you can learn the opinion of Soviet republics on the referendum at 17 March 1991. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_referendum,_1991 The problem is the people which destroyed the USSR did not take into account this opinion. Though Armenia has given the big enough percent against preservation of the USSR - 27,2. Now many Armenians immigrated to Russia. And all Armenians with which I am personally familiar are proSoviet enough. Even Georgians prefer to live in Russia. Despite of 08.08.08 and savage antiRussian hysteria more than 20 % Georgians live in Russia now.
     
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    In 4th November of 1985, George Shultz Secretary of the USA visited Moscow . So to speak, in preparation for a meeting of leaders of America and the Soviet Union in Reykjavik. Gorbachev tried to play as hard politician, ready to confront the enemy.
    He was speaking initially properly. The beginning of his speech is worthy of Stalin. Yes, only the difference is huge. Stalin's words would be weighty, with a hidden threat. And after His words as usual followed the case.
    But Gorbachev just boasted. And hysterically. Actually, he was not going to do anything. Moreover, this clown could not stand the tone of conversation . Just trying to look cool ,constantly mentioning about cosmic threat, He showed his serious fear of SDI in that conversation . And almost immediately began to beg for some sort of American arrangements. And the crafty player Schultz instantly understood, who in front of him actually. In general, at the end of the meeting, Gorbachev was looks like a bad clown with forced smile ...
     
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    What is the source of this information?
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    In the 1986-1991 years. Was planned modernization of the industry: the introduction of industrial robots, machine tools, computer-controlled, flexible production lines. Industry urged to produce world class products. Huge invest of 200 billion rubles (read: dollars) for the purchase of new equipment and modernization of old machinery.
    But from the very beginning, these good intentions must to be reinforced by the creation of high-precision apparatus of repression , in the spirit of Stalin , against the lazy and incompetent officials . The only way you can achieve a real breakthrough in the development of the country . Without resorting to barbarism and the destruction of entire sectors of advanced manufacturing. But Gorbachev was afraid to pursue that policy . And here's the result: in 1987, reveals , 60% of factories being built in several machine-building departments the level of technology does not even reach the average level for the USSR. 30% came out above average, but inferior to world standards. And only 10% could be attributed to advanced. And in many cases at a stretch. Here is the "fruit" of Gorbachev's politics: "I will give the bureaucracy means, but I will not check its validity ."
    Stalin would be after such checkup, chastised guilty.
     
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    That congress (XVII Party Congress, February 1986) was already almost naked plea for mercy, turned to the United States. Yes, and a example of Gorbachev's split consciousness. Why not? Gorbachev and his companions were unable to firmly and clearly identify the interests of Soviet Union. Even though,that interests were clear and unambiguous: First , to force the U.S. to step back and choke on their own arms race . Second , The winner dictate to the vanquished new conditions of world order . And Third , Dramatically increase the economic power of the Union, to improve the quality and standard of living of its citizens . Nothing like this has not been told. Western analysts immediately caught this weakness of Gorbachev

    http://fb2.booksgid.com/content/26/maksim-kalashnikov-kreschenie-ognem-borba-ispolinov/110.html
     
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    The traitor of the Soviet Union may be going on trial for treason.


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yawoYF6kkmA"]Mikhail Gorbachev May Get His - YouTube[/ame]


    The trade union of citizens of Russia tries to organize litigation against Gorbachev. The movie in Russian

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqCVfXXL2T8&feature=related"]Горбачев должен СИДЕТЬ! (г. Санкт-Петербург) - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    In Russian
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmgPLG6pWII"]Горбачёв - даду внедреж ! можно начинать ))) - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Moreover, Gorbachev, in his report, said: "Winning the arms race, as in nuclear war, just impossible ." Nonsense! The Americans have built their entire policy on what can and should win. Well, the words of Gorbachev USA perceived quite correctly: this master of speech , begs for mercy, and ready to surrender. They made right conclusion : pressed on Moscow, pushing up military spending and continuing to bring down the price of "black gold"- oil .
    http://fb2.booksgid.com/content/26/maksim-kalashnikov-kreschenie-ognem-borba-ispolinov/110.html
     
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    [​IMG]
    1990
    Perest oyka. The letter "r" fell down . New word on poster is mean "stagnant " instead of "reconstruction"
    Announcement says "Restoration"
     
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    December events in Alma-Ata, also known as Zheltoksan (meeting of protest) of the Kazakh people, took place on 17-18 December 1986 in Alma-Ata, the former at the time the capital of the Kazakh SSR. According to the official version of the unrest began because of the decision of the Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Mikhail Gorbachev to withdraw from the national leader - the first secretary of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan Dinmukhamed Kunaev, and replacing him at Gennady Kolbin who never worked in Kazakhstan . Rioters demanded to appoint the head of the republic representative from the local elite. Later waves of Kazakh youth were held in other cities and regions of Kazakhstan . December events in Kazakhstan has become one of the first people in the Soviet Union rallies against the dictates of the center, similar events have occurred previously in 1986 in Yakutia, and later in other national republics of the Soviet Union in Minsk, 1988, 1989, Tbilisi, Baku and Dushanbe in 1990, in Vilnius and Riga in 1991.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeltoqsan
     
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    A bit of folk art:

    По России мчится тройка:
    Мишка- Райка - Перестройка!
    Перестройка – главный фактор,
    Первым грохнули реактор.
    Затопили пароход,
    Пропустили самолет,
    Наркоманов развели,
    СПИД в Россию завезли.

    Леня Брежнев, открой глазки,
    Нету пива и колбаски,
    Нету водки и вина,
    Радиация одна.


    Граждане,

    Обождите

    Радоваться

    Брежнева

    Андропова

    Черненко

    Еще

    Вспомните!
     
  13. kowalskil

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    Everyone would be a looser in a true nuclear war.
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    Mathias Rust as an example of a deliberate betrayal of Gorbachev
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust

    May 28, 1987, the day when all the Soviet people celebrated as the Day of Border Guards , at the airport Malami, near Helsinki , Cessna-172R Skyhawk was preparing to flight . In flight documents endpoint was listed route to Stockholm. If we consider that at full gas station, which is 212 liters of aviation fuel, that mean an aircraft would flew distance is 1,200 kilometers very easily . This distance is twice more then distance from Helsinki to Stockholm . Considering desire of pilot to establish a in the cockpit of an extra fuel tank looks more than strange in this case. However, nothing illegal in this has not happened. As in the first twenty-minute flight, during which Mathias move strictly on the planned route.
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    What then was classified as "flight's vandalism ", began after the twenty-second minute, when pilot made ​​contact with the ground services and announced that he is all right, said goodbye and flew to Soviet border. Attempts to contact the Finnish manager again with the plane had no success: immediately after a session Rust turned off all radios, except for the radio-compass. The behavior of the pilot's created a real threat to safety on a very busy route Moscow - Helsinki, and dispatch services which were forced to change flight paths of aircrafts that were into the danger zone. A Cessna and soon disappeared altogether from the radar screens. Arriving at the point of extinction rescuers found on sea surface oil stain. But even after three hours on-site where divers worked, vainly trying to find at the bottom of the sea the remains of a monoplane ,nothing were found .
    At 14.29 (2.39 p.m) on the radar screens of Tallinn's air defenses near the town of Kohtla-Jarve appeared an unknown slow-moving object. Military radars are working much more accurate than civilian, and the height of Cessna gained almost two thousand meters, so that the difficulties in finding does not arise. The fact that the border crossing was not registered either radar or visual observation, was assumed that is some of the stray civilian aircraft. However , at radio request ,object did not answer, at code "your own - alien" did not respond too, and Soviet air traffic controllers said that is does not relate to him. As expected, the object was assigned to the combat-Union No. 8255 and the code of "foreign". In full combat readiness were given to three the divisions of Missile Forces. The aim could be destroyed at any moment, only needed a order. But order has not been .

    To identify an object , from a military airfield "Tapa" on the alarm had been raised two fighter-interceptor "MiG-23." Within twenty minutes after the Cessna appeared on radar, at 14.48 (2.48 p.m), the pilot of first fighter reported that he sees the target - light airplane such as our "Yak-12" white with a blue stripe on the side. However, immediately after establishing eye contact plane dived down to a height of 20 - 30 meters, and not just disappeared out of sight of the pilot of the interceptor, but the radar screen too.

    Meanwhile, Cessna has continued its air breakthrough to the southeast and to the three o'clock in the afternoon already flying over Pskov. It was here by competent authorities then interpreted was 'a chance" to destroy intruder . At this time, around the ancient city was training flights held one of the local regiments. In the air at the same time there were up to a dozen aircraft, so the emergence of a new point on the radar remained unnoticed. Exactly at 15.00 (3.00 p.m), all air facilities were to change their codes. However, since the flights were training, and pilots - yesterday's students with a minimum of experience, many of them in flight's excitement just forgot to change the code for the system of recognition and became "strangers" . After seeing on the radar screen a huge number of "strangers" the manager of recognition assigned to them the code "I - am." .This technique is often practiced in our military, but not made ​​public. Among other things, this code is received and the aircraft Mathias Rust. Now he was flying in our airspace is like a small plane and a Soviet interest to the military is not represented.
    Another one of the chance-coincidence. In general, this day was just packed with happy coincidences for the German pilot. When Rust already flies to Moscow, someone from the top (who is - and remains unexplained) ordered to temporarily disable the automatic control system (ACS) for unplanned maintenance. If not for this order, the plane could destroy a plane of Rust just "default" as the unidentified object what approaching to strategically important center. A little later the same unknown person "from above" for twenty minutes stopped all flight over Sheremetyevo Airport. It is through in this twenty-minute gap , Mathias Rust flew in the Moscow at 19.38 (7.38 p.m)

    http://www.ogoniok.com/archive/2002/4764/36-48-50/

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TXIGfL2iFw&feature=related"]Matias Rust 28.5.1987 in the Red Square - YouTube[/ame]
     

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