Gun Related Deaths In America 2012

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Makedde, Jan 11, 2012.

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  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    That isn't a critique of the methodology. The methodology only requires that the 'more guns=more crime' hypothesis is tested, using that to understand crime spillover effects. Your stance is essentially "let's have more Americans killed". Its consistent with fascism
     
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    As long as it is evidence you accept. If not, you dismiss the evidence.

    You have made it clear that you are an anti-gun advocate so it is ridiculous for you to portray yourself as an adherent to truth when you espouse only your agenda driven posts based on one study while ignoring all others that do not fit your agenda.
     
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    And?

    Seems to me the data counters this.

    So AU is just an anomaly then?
     
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    No, as long as it is credible (e.g. test hypothesis and checked for robustness)
     
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    I think you've said enough. You can't dispute the 'more guns=more crime' hypothesis so you've essentially just said you don't mind to see more Americans killed. Weird attitude
     
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    More guns do not mean more crime they mean a higher homicide rate.

    And: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/648703/posts
     
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    And you can't (or won't) respond to the Australian data that shows otherwise.
     
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    There was not a peer review of the data. Uganda needs to approve it.
     
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    They increase homicide and the evidence also points to an increase in types of crime such as burglary. Many other crimes are not found to be affected. Now work out the maths: some crimes up, others unaffected...
     
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    Criminals, by definition. You're still carrying on with a particularly anti-American attitude. I can't think of something more anti-American as a stance based on effectively cheering American deaths
     
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    I am not and there is collateral damage. It is the cost of freedom.

    DC has a firearm ban and they have a high murder rate and look at Mexico and south.
     
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    Crime is coercion. You're essentially therefore celebrating greater coercion, making your comment nonsensical
     
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    You are not American so you will never get it.
     
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    Your position is illogical. Nationality doesn't come into it
     
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    You are so wrong about that. You have freedom or slavery; nothing less.
     
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    You've called an increase in coercion "freedom". That isn't logical
     
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    Who is coercing whom?

    I live at the end of the road. Guns play no part in my daily activities but I may choose to go the the shooting range or out back to kill some deer.

    You wish for me to be coerced by my government and your as well.
     
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    There's no point in disputing that crime represents coercion. It would be silliness to suggest otherwise
     
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    The evidence in the cities with gun bans in this nation had higher gun crime rates than those that didn't have the bans. That's the evidence base I look at.
     
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    No, you look for raw data to feed your bias. That isn't evidence based. Indeed, its completely against what the empirical process adopts.
     
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    Sorry, Reiver is not interested in evidence or facts but only with peer reviewed papers that support his own bias. The fact that violent crime dropped the last 10 years even though gun ownership skyrocketed makes no difference to him because you did not show the reverse based on a peer reviewed paper that he likes.
     
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    A particularly clueless comment as I'm the only one here adopting- unflinchingly- an evidence based approach. The problem is that you don't know what evidence entails
     
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    Well he avoided the south of the border issue all together.
     
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    O.K., Reiv, we have grown up in a gun culture in the States. Europeans for the most part have never held a firearm let alone grew up using them. It's hard to compare a nation where guns have been outlawed and for the most part don't exist to a nation that has over 300 million in citizens hands. That's like pointing to Yemen and comparing how many fewer auto crashes they have than the U.S., it doesn't compute
     
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