US invasion of China.

Discussion in 'Warfare / Military' started by antileftwinger, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. highlander

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    Your talking about the Iran Contra affair...where your military bought drugs...admitted by North...another degenerate...to be sold....To Americans....and ask me about testing creditability......you my friend....to be nice...want you're head examined!

    But you have a nice day...for those your Fascist leaders....are killing those......so far....outside YOUR borders!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
  2. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    You have to also step back and look at the items that was sold to Iraq were.

    Everything that was sold to Iraq and used in it's WMD production is what falls under "dual use". And the equipment was not specifically designed for use in making chemical weapons.

    Duel use simply means that it can be used for good or evil purposes. The same kind of plant that makes pestacides for the agriculture industry can also make nerve gas. The same equipment used to make antibiotics and innoculations can also be used to make biological weapons. And the same equipment that is used to make fertilizer can also make explosives.

    This is the danger with "dual use". You have to rely on the country actually useing the equipment in the way they claim they will. The same centrifuges used for a great many chemical and industrial uses can be used to refine bomb grade uranium. High precision lathes and other equipment can make precision telescope lenses, or precision bomb componants.

    All of this "dual use" equipment sold to Iraq was sold with the claim that it was for such uses. However, once they got it they then turned around often times and did other things.

    And remember, this was a US embargo, not an International one. If they had not bought them from the US, nothing would have stopped them from buying the equipment form East Germany, North Korea, or the Soviet Union.

    And the same goes for the biological samples. This is part of a service that the CDC has done for decades for every country on the planet. If a legitimate national health service, research organization or medical school asked for such samples, they would have been sent. Even the USSR frequently exchanged such samples with the CDC.

    Nothing sent to Iraq under this program was anything close to "Weapons Grade". However, once it was realized what they had done with the material provided, the CDC made major changes in how they exchanged biological samples.
     
  3. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    Yes, and that has been talked about many times.

    And once again, the CDC did this, as it would for any other government organization that requested such materials. Because that is it's mandate.

    The CDC was abiding by World Health Organization guidelines that encouraged the free exchange of biological samples among medical researchers -- before Congress imposed tighter controls on biological exports in 1995, says Thomas Monath, who headed the CDC lab where the viruses came from during the period in which they were handed over. "It was a very innocent request, which we were obligated to fulfill," recalls Monath. Plus, in the 1980s, Iraq and the U.S. were allies.

    http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/sep2002/nf20020920_3025.htm

    The CDC sends out such examples whenever it is requested and the agency making the request is a legitimate research organization. Once they are sent though, there is nothing from the University of Myopia from sending them to the Myopian Army.

    Or are you suggesting that all such research and exchange of information be stopped? If the CDC developed an immunization for Ebola that uses an attenuated form of the disease, should we refuse to send it out because it might also be used to create a bioweapon?
     
  4. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    That is six of one, half dozen of another.

    The Soviets concentrated in perfecting their technology in regards to Earth Orbit. When it came to things like space stations and volume of launches, they did have the advantage. The US never could build space stations like they did.

    However, when it came to things like heavy lift rockets, robotic probes and reuseable orbital vehicles, they could not come anywhere close to the US.

    Look at their failed N1, Polyus and Buran projects to see how well they did there.

    And I would not even call their R-7 series of rockets "advanced". There have been few changes in this system since they used the earliest version to launch Sputnik.

    As far as "US rocket technology", it's use since the 1970's has primarily been for the launch of satellites. And while our primary launch vehicle (the Boeing Delta series) has been upgraded several times. But we also use several others, including the Lockheed Atlas V, Falcoln 9 (which they intend to make a reuseable system, uses such exotic materials as cork for an ablative coating, and does not use LOX), and the solid fueled and winged LEO rocket, the Pegasus.

    I am not sure why you say the US technology has "stalled". Having worked for a Satellite company, I have seen nothing of the sort.
     
  5. GeneralZod

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    Mushroom,

    You do realise since the obama goverment cut nasa funding and no new space shuttle. Russia basically owns the ISS now. Their rocket design won the space race (re-usable, afforadable) while usa for decades tried to make the shuttle work, (which was years of ahead of its time.)

    Now russia is the world leader, europe is catching up. And the usa is declining while tightens its belt in the numerours wars involved with.
     
  6. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Not true.

    Provide evidence or retract your statement
     
  7. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    And you still have yet to provide proof that Iraq had US troops fighting on the ground as you claimed. You have yet to prove that the US provided Iraq the "best equipment".

    Once again, challenged to provide proof to back up your claims, you evade the question. Yet in Iran-Contra, the US did provide among the best equipment that it had to Iran.

    So once again, you evade, disseminate, and divert the topic from the original claim.

    As we say where I work, back up your claims or ****.
     
  8. Mushroom

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    Don't bother.

    He never backs up his claims, and he never retracts anything.

    You have to realize, mostly I challenge him not because he will ever admit to anything, but to show others who read these forums and might believe him how much nonsense is involved in his "facts".

    I readily provide proof and sources, most times without even being asked. Highlander is a racist, and backs up nothing.
     
  9. IgnoranceisBliss

    IgnoranceisBliss Well-Known Member

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    Highlander tends to be a one hit wonder. He never sticks around to argue out his false claims.
     
  10. deanberryministries

    deanberryministries Banned

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    Start saddling China with the same tariffs as other countries. I checked out some Chinese wholesalers, pretending like I was placing an order, and there are virtually no tariffs on any of their merchandise. Guitars, you name it.
     
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    "You have yet to prove that the US provided Iraq the "best equipment"."

    "Yet in Iran-Contra, the US did provide among the best equipment that it had to Iran."

    I'm not understanding.
     
  12. highlander

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    I don't feed keich!

    An example
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...secret-plan-to-arm-libyas-rebels-2234227.html

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evil...s Scam/oliver_north-drug_trafficking_hero.htm

    There is so much information regarding your degenerates...why ask me for links!

    I think the lady protests too much......you know exactly the degenerate behaviour your nation is more than capable...only the rest of the world knows the truth even if Americans are too reticent to look at any of the pertainate facts!

    Have a nice day...hope your military don't murder to many innocent men women and children or torture and kill in there many secret prisons....... today....for a change!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
  13. Dayton3

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    Try a real source. Like something from The Economist.

    After all, it is a British publication as well.

    without any regards because I'm speaking to a person who does nothing but insult other members.

    Dayton
     
  14. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    agains excuse, if al qaeda request anthrax sample or iran request it, should we give it to them for scentific purpose?? somehow i doubt it

    agains its all in the name of civilian use mobo jumbo. must be feel good get rid of the association with saddam regarding the technology, BLUEPRINT, samples transfer etc in the pretense of civilian usage.

    again read the source and LINK
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    yes its dual use, so should we sell our nuclear technology or material to Iran. its NOT about dual use technology, its about who do you sold to. are you gonna sell a gun to a sociopath/murder or a police?? gun can use for protection or killing. so stop the Dual use excuse. some of the worst thing done was in the pretense of civilian usage or scentific purpose. its call denial.

    what do they expect selling technology, factory blueprint, and all the know how on DIY biological/chemical weapon to a ONGOING wars, with a ruthless dicator in control. have you notice those sample, technology are transfer DURING the war, not before or after, how coincidence. and the fact we support iraq in its war against iran, give intel etc etc. if it happen then it happend, not gonna hide behind some excuse of dual usage, so i can say it wasn't our fault.

    did you read the link, IT says;
    Can it be more clear?? its not just sample but blueprint and technology transfer too. now how do you turn a Plan for chemical and biological warfare facilities and warhead filling equipment into civilian usage, I wonder ;) oh thats right use on civilians.
     
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    et al,

    So, where are we in the original discussion? I got lost!

    v/r
    R
     
  17. GeneralZod

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    USA won!.

    Although this happened in page 1. Since then the usa chatters been discussing how to nuke iraq (for some reason)
     
  18. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    things got sidetrack into iraq-iran war somehow.:roll:
     
  19. highlander

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    Aye some folks want to shoot the messenger...I suppose its easier than facing the truth regarding torture, secret prisons, assassinations, genocide...and all these nice thing your AIPAC senators love to do...at the behest of those Zionists who own them and allowed them to stand for office those afore mentioned AIPAC senators and congressmen!

    It would matter what I forwarded to you...your a closed book!

    When you have your arse bitten,or your loved ones are used as Neo-con fodder...just remember your innocence has cost them or you!

    As for the British media..its owned by the cartel....your cartel, so we know its lies!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
  20. Mushroom

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    Is Al-Qaeda a Government medical research facility? Is it a recognized medical or research school?

    Silly claim, and we have been off-topic long enough.
     
  21. s002wjh

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    how about iran or syrian

    my point was we sold chemical/biological technology, samples, even blueprint for those weapon/factories to a know dictator in a long bloody war.

    anyway lets get back on topic.
     
  22. IgnoranceisBliss

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    So now you're claiming the U.S. sold WMD blueprints to Syria and Iran?
     
  23. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    did you read my link? i'm not claiming it. i just copy&paste what i read.

    what does this sound to you?? check post #369 all the links are there.
     
  24. Dayton3

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    You do realize that the equipment used to make chemical weapons have a whole host of legitimate civilian uses don't you?

    If I were a gambling man I would wager that the vast majority of so called "chemical weapons equipment" provided to Iraq was actually used for civilian manufacturing.
     
  25. s002wjh

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    yes so does gun has multipurpose depend whos use it. almost all military equipment has dual use purpose. is that mean we should sold our nuclear technology, or biological/chemical samples, blueprint to Iran/iraq/syrian?

    we already been through this before in previous pages, its not about dual use, its about who we sold too. just because you can use in civilian use, it doesn't give the excuse for saying we didn't know or its not our fault etc.

    right this forum is not a casino, if you provide a source to prove, otherwise its not valid. if you can provide source saying all the chemical, blueprint factory, canaster etc was for civilian use etc, ill glad to read it. we have CIA, intel, and other stuff give/sold to iraq because we were supporting them.
     

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