...And Yes, Barack Obama is a Marxist

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  1. Cloak

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    Ok so I read this article, basically the author is saying Obama is a Marxist because of his associations, and a couple panels he's sat on. Fine, ok, typical logical arguments aside, let me ask you this:

    If he's a "marxist", why hasn't he governed as one? What exactly is marxist or socialist about restoring Clinton-era tax levels, giving the insurance companies MORE customers by law, Bailing out huge corporations, etc? Seriously, name one true marxist-socialist thing he has done. And no, the fact that he allotted tax dollars to pay for something you abhor DOESN'T COUNT!
     
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    Great googly moogly, at least two of those are mutually exclusive.
     
  3. Taxpayer

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    People keep saying how much we need the middle class. But the solution they offer seems to be just give money to folks so they can live a middle class lifestyle without working for it. We don't need people living a middle class lifestyle. We need people contributing as much as the middle class used to. It's not the same thing.​
     
  4. k995

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    Funny these comments, linking him to "leftist" groups decade ago.

    Ok show me his marxist policy since becoming president .

    And Yes, another one who doesnt understand wat a Marxist is .
     
  5. rahl

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    and yet, nowhere in this post did you attempt to define maxism/communism/socialism, nor did you provide specific examples that would lead you to believe obama is one.

    thank you for proving my point.
     
  6. DonGlock26

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    Of course Obama is a Marxist. That's what Progressives are. They have more names than cola, but they are cola regardless of the label.

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  7. WatcherOfTheGate

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    I am always amazed out how delusional conservatives are. They seem to not understand the definitions of words and how they apply to reality.
     
  8. siddhartha

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    Bob Lutz, former GM CEO and lifelong right winger thinks that the auto bailout was without question the right thing to do and that regardless who was in office, it would have happened. Are you calling him a Marxist?

    Obamacare? Funny, the prohibitive favorite for the Republican nomination created the HC program that the administration used as a model. Is Romney a Marxist too?

    Weath redistribution? Ahhhh, two trillion in tax breaks to the wealthy redistributed a lot of wealth, didn't it? Marxist?
     
  9. Anikdote

    Anikdote Well-Known Member

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    Maybe some easy pictures will help sort things out for some of you:

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    Some of you are going to be very disheartened to realize how far right of center American politics are. So lets stop mixing socialism and communism and tossing around the word Marxist. I'll even provide a couple of definitions. Look I have a lot of issues with the current administration many of which have been brought up in this thread, but your doing no service to your cause tossing words about incorrectly.

    Marxism is an economic and sociopolitical worldview and method of socioeconomic inquiry that centers upon a materialist interpretation of history, a dialectical view of social change, and an analysis and critique of the development of capitalism. Marxism was pioneered in the early to mid 19th century by two German philosophers, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Marxism encompasses Marxian economic theory, a sociological theory and a revolutionary view of social change that has influenced political movements around the world

    http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Marxism.html

    The site above give a thorough explanation along with a hint of criticism, which should be unsurprising since the folks that run the site come from public choice roots.

    So let's please try to raise the bar here a bit and stamp out the bandying about of language that you heard someone else use, take a moment and educate yourself and then we can move on to more scathing criticisms of the current president, such as his passing of NDAA, being wasteful with our tax dollars, the continued policy of nation building in the middle east and the continuation of both a tax system and entitlement programs that are unsustainable. Those are much better attacks than the idiotic, parroted name calling.
     
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    Oh just ****...collectivism is always bad. Socialism, Marxism, communism never ends good.
     
  11. rahl

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    yet you can't define one of them, nor cite specific examples that makes obama one.
     
  12. Iolo

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    As with lynching, these rightist rants have nothing to do with any conceivable sense - just with a mob of nutters full of hate and harm to those they dare attack instead of their all-powerful masters.
     
  13. Anikdote

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    Shame that's all that could be mustered from what I thought was a genuine attempt to drag you up out of your pit of woeful ignorance and prevent you from making further displays or it.
     
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    nope, do not agree

    I do agree that America uses the best of any and all systems and doesn't restrict ourselves to just one
     
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    any society that restricts themselves to one system never ends good, why not use the best of all systems
     
  16. Subdermal

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    It was written a long time ago, and it reflected upon how its ideology - if implemented - would impact life and commerce then, but it also demanded of all participants in society a full contribution of each person's capabilities, and in return promised to return to the individual only what they 'needed'.

    It remains as unworkable now as it was then. There have been no voices condemning Marx in any anti-Capitalist Party, and no reason to believe that any core principle of any of them defy any Marxist principle.

    Can you point any out?
     
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    That would mean they would have to think at something higher than a 2nd grade level. Unfortunately most of the Cons here are not capable of that.
     
  18. siddhartha

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    This is a good definition of Marxism:



    A system of economic, social, and political philosophy based on ideas that view social change in terms of economic factors. A central tenet is that the means of production is the economic base that influences or determines the political life.

    Under Marxism, outdated class structures were supposed to be overthrown with force (revolution) instead of being replaced through patient modification. It held that as capitalism has succeeded feudalism, it too will be removed by a dictatorship of the workers (proletariat) called socialism, followed quickly and inevitably by a classless society which governs itself without a governing class or structure. Developed in the 19th century jointly by two lifelong German friends living in London - Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820-1895) - it forms the foundation of communism.
     
  19. Gator Monroe

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    More of a High Yella Bi-Sexuial Maoist ...:dog:
     
  20. PatrickT

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    Barack Obama was raised, albeit as Barry Obama, to be a Marxist. He had a Marxist tutor and in school he sought out fellow Marxist to follow.

    He is a Marxist and I think everyone recognized that before the last election but the left pretended it wasn't so.
     
  21. pocket aces

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    So he is just like you?
     
  22. Gator Monroe

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    He is more like my Only Child Daughter ( Half Black) but I have a Grandson so she is hetro...
     
  23. siddhartha

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    Here's a good definition of socialism.

    Political system in which the (major) means of production are not in private or institutional hands, but under social control. Typically this is seen as one aspect of a more general concern for people's equal rights to various benefits (health, education), and of a concern to limit the inequalities of wealth and power produced by the unrestricted operations of market forces. Socialism avoids the totalitarian implications of communism, and works within liberal democratic constitutions.
     
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    High Yella (yellow) meant a slave who was 7/8th white in ancestry - Obama is 1/2 white and not a slave.

    Bi-sexual means having sex with both sexes - one scurrilous and disproven report is all that was ever advanced against Obama, who is married with two children.

    Maoist is a Marxist who follows the teachings of Chairman Mao which puts a higher emphasis on guerrilla revolution and the role of the peasant than does traditional Marxism or Marxist-Leninism - why on earth would this appeal to an urbanite lefty like President Obama?

    That makes Gator 0 for 3 in his insults of the duly elected President of the United States.
     
  25. Gator Monroe

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    High Yellow is a Black Person with ANY white in the woodpile who looks it , The Term is still used ,but was used more often in the 1930's thru 1970's (Especially in New Orleans )
     

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