Why did Reagan sell weapons to Iran?

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  1. RtWngaFraud

    RtWngaFraud Banned

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    He broke the law. North took the heat for it, but we all know what the deal was. The man should have been impeached for treason, but, instead, these corrupt righties overlooked Reagan and concentrated on a Democratic President getting BJ's, and lying about it. Yeah...that's important. Let the treason slide, but impeach the BJ liar....

    Now...you right whackjobs offer us Pinkslip???? The man who destroys people's lives for padding millionaires pockets???? Sick friggin' country if you asked me.
     
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    Actually I read Oliver North's book, and I'm a neo-McCarthyist who feels that any actions taken to halt the spread of Marxism are good.

    Marxism is a cancer that must be exterminated from the globe. Reagan almost did it, but he never counted on all those filthy commies stripping down Communism and spreading it out into the West under the guise of "Social Democracy" otherwise known as "Welfare Capitalism".
     
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    Then the picture I posted definitely applies for you...
     
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    janpor Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, and the Ayatholla's are a stroll in the park.

    I find it funny to witness your own moral bankruptcy ~ "fight communism in Central America". Interesting how you somehow think that democracy is only a system Americans should live under, and that you somehow find that Communists are on the same page as Islamic extremists...

    No wonder your country is in the crapper -- seems to me that the USA is just an open sewer.
     
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    janpor Well-Known Member

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    What I find embarrassing is that you seem to want to deny the Iran Contra Affair.
     
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    janpor Well-Known Member

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    WHAT IN THE WORLD?!

    Mr. Reagan broke the law.

    In fact, he did not only broke the law -- he completely override Congress by trying to sell arms to Iran, and trying to use those funds to finance the Contras. The latter was made strictly illegal by Congress.

    What is the point of living in a democracy when the populace actually supports totalitarianism?

    How in the world can anyone -- liberal or conservative, fuschia or orange -- defend the actions of the people involved?
     
  7. janpor

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    => LMAO!

    Your posts are truely hilarious.

    You are trying to compare God (FDR) with a bug (Reagan). Funnies!
     
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    charliedk New Member Past Donor

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    sooner or later we were going to get dragged into WW2..doesn't matter who conspired what..
    as for Ronnie..he was a slick talker..I'm sure he knew..
     
  9. Ronald0

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    Reagan was also the one who said this:

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    And now to say US had anything to do with creating the Taliban is considered akin to treason.
     
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    Maybe you need to bone up on your English a bit more, because nobody is denying Iran contra happened. The point was there's no proof of a connection between Reagan and the sale of arms to Iran.

    Try to pay closer attention next time.
     
  11. Bluespade

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    There was no Taliban in 1985. Nice try.
     
  12. janpor

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    ...

    Why don't you try to use your brains for once.

    Congress clearly (!) and very strictly (!) forbade the channeling of funds towards the Contras. Iran also was under an arms embargo.

    You really think a simple desk cleric or some CIA operative could override that?
     
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    Ya, what you are trying to pass as a fact is really an assumption on your part.
     
  14. lizarddust

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    Once again more meddling from the Americans in places where they shouldn't shove their brown noses.

    Funny how the pigeons always come home to roost and bite them on the arse.
     
  15. Zosiasmom

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    Before we all play your game, do you deny that Ollie and Fawn where shredding documents? Yes or No?

    When people shred documents knowing that they are about to be investigated what does that say to you? It says to anyone who isn't pretending to play dumb that they had something to hide. They were shredding evidence.

    Now, we can pretend all we want that those shredded documents were grocery lists and "Honey Dos" but that's just really disingenuous, and insults everyone's intelligence. When evidence is destroyed it makes it difficult to prove the extent of the crimes and people's associations with them. In fact, the only convictions were related to this obstruction of justice--oh and bribes thanks to North's "quick thinking". Olliver North was convicted of: illegal gratuity, the destruction of subpoenaed documents, and obstruction of justice/obstruction of Congressional inquiry.

    He knowingly broke the law when he began shredding documents and still claimed he was "doing his duty". Marines swear to defend, not brutalize the Constitution of the United States.

    So either he was acting alone or ordered by the President.

    As to ethics issues...

    He and others, also knew that the purpose of Boland was to prevent what he and others in that administration were doing, but because it spelled out "CIA" and they worked with the NSA he was able to skate other charges. However, there are enough people alive, former military who will testify that there were more than guns being run across the border.

    Here's an old news clip on Reagan and Clinton's involvement in regards to the running of cocaine in and out of the US under the protection White House protection:

    [video=youtube;BiczqeT_RDg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiczqeT_RDg&feature=related[/video]

    It would be easier to prove what was really done if there were no paper shredders and consummate liars involved in this scenario.

    Just because someone wasn't convicted (as you guys love to point out about Clinton) doesn't mean that they are innocent.
     
  16. Pollycy

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    And your responses are irrelevant, supeficial, and silly... and like many who post here, you can't even spell properly.

    As for your hyperliberal "god", Frankie Roosevelt... he got 416,800 American military personnel killed in a war that we did not even need to be involved in in the first place! On Reagan's watch it is true that 241 American servicemen were killed in the 1983 Beirut bombing, and so he's a "bug"? BTW, you also neglected to mention exactly which crime(s) Ronald Reagan was ever found to be guilty of.... :p

    Still, we've got to give FDR credit for one thing: after all his idiotic Keynesian, spend-spend-spend socialist nonsense had created no lasting recovery -- not even after "New Deal", and "Second New Deal" -- getting the US involved in a gigantic, horrible war finally did end the Depression. So for that he's a "god"? No wonder so many of you hypelibs are agnostics and athiests....
     
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    Yes they did. They just didn't call themselves the Taliban. A little history lesson would do you good. Putting your head in the sand doesn't mean the problem would just go away. See the government and the CIA for what it really is before you go along with their charade of wars for democracy and other nonsense.

    How the CIA created OBL and the Taliban
     
  18. Marine1

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    That sure wasn't Reagan's fault. That is the fault of Marine Corps policy. They didn't allow the guards to have their weapons loaded. They did the same thing with me when I was stationed at GETMO, when Castro was taking over Cuba.


    Yes selling weapons to Iran was wrong. But it freed up American hostages and funded the Contras that were fighting a communist government in Central America where the Soviets were trying to make headway. Congress had been funding them for a couple of years and then cut off funding when they got scared that they might blow up a Soviet ship in the harbor and left the Contra out to dry.

    Reagan fought the Soviet intrusion in Afghanistan and also on our back door in Granada. Keeping Soviet bombers from being stationed in Granada. Every advancement the Soviets made, Reagan was there to stop it. Some times rules are made to be broken and Reagan knew the times. I admire the man.
     
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    The Taliban was only one of several groups fighting the Soviets. I am sure there are other groups represented in that picture with Reagan. After the Soviets were driven out, we also left and allowed the tribes to rule themselves. It's wound up the Taliban was the stronger of the groups and they took over much of Afghanistan. But they didn't control all of it. Other Warlords controlled other, smaller parts of Afghanistan, like the Northern Alliance controlled the North.
     
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    The Soviets took advantage of Carter's arms cuts and poured billions into a military build up. First thing Reagan did was poor billions more into the military and started Star Wars. He told the Soviets that they would never get military superiority over us. The Soviets didn't have the money to keep up. Reagan knew the Soviets were hurting financially and he kept putting the pressure on them. He even made a deal with Saudi Arabia to cut the price of oil to about $15.00 a barrel, knowing oil was the Soviets biggest money maker. Soviets didn't want to sell their oil at that price and held it, hurting them even more. Reagan was determined to try and bankrupt the Soviets and did. Although it didn't quite happen soon enough. He was out of office by the time the Soviet Union fell.
     
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    I finally found it. It was really buried after all these years.

    Docudrama presents 80s oil glut as part of the Reagan Administration's strategy to bankrupt the USSR

    Many former members of the Reagan Administration are very familiar with the pivotal role global energy markets played in hastening the collapse of Soviet power. In the 2004 documentary In the Face of Evil: Reagan's War in Word and Deed, several former members of the Reagan Administration described how they implemented a comprehensive plan to bankrupt the Soviet Union. Most students of Cold War history are familiar with how the Reagan Administration baited the Soviets into a costly arms race and demoralized the Red Army by supporting the mujahadeen in Afghanistan. What is less well-known is the Reagan team's strategy of economic warfare against the USSR.

    In 1983 CIA Director Bill Casey went to Saudi Arabia and cut a deal: in return for the latest American weapons (F-15 jets and AWACS planes), the Saudis agreed to open the crude spigots. The sustained surge in Saudi production not only made up for production lost due to the Iran-Iraq war, it collapsed world oil prices. At the time, the short-term cost of this strategy seemed high: oil shale and oil sands production in North America was mostly abandoned, and wildcatters from Alaska to West Texas went broke, costing the country thousands of jobs. But by the mid-1980s, the flood of cheap oil from the Middle East helped the U.S. and its allies whip inflation, end an economic recession, and bury the Soviet Union.

    http://www.russiablog.org/2006/08/kommersant_mideast_war_means_m.php
     
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    Selling weapons illegally to another nation is high treason. It's a sure bet that if Obama did the same thing, EVERY single republican who praise and support Reagan for it would be calling him a traitor and calling for him to be charged for high treason.
     
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    Reagan was already senile by that time.
    Ollie North and the gang didn't have to ask.
     
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    If he could not think enough to do his job, he should have been impeached on those grounds. We can not have a president who is not mentally fit for the job.
     
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    But you did. Between his "inattention" and forgetfulness, with international meetings being dependent on the whims of Nancy's clairvoyant, America was made a joke. His second term was run by the WH staff, with the old actor occasionally pitching up to repeat his lines to camera, prompted by Nancy.
     

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