Time for the United States to FORCE a Peaceful Settlement.

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  1. FearandLoathing

    FearandLoathing Well-Known Member

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    One, no one is forcing you to listen to what you are tired of hearing about. Tuning it out is a far more practical solution that going to war.

    But, considering that war seems to be the solution to all of America's problems, the war on poverty, the war on illiteracy, the war on drugs [now there's a success story], the war in Vietnam, the war on Terror, I guess warring for peace makes sense....in an Orwellian society.

    And finally, since when are the lives of Palestinians and Israelis any business of the US? You've been meddling in the ME for decades and have a trail of disasters as a legacy, not the least of which is a well trained, well equipped Taliban, a well equipped and armed Iran not to mention a well equipped and well armed Egypt, Syria...

    Have you ever stopped to think the rest of the world has grown *******ned weary of the USA as the world's self appointed policeman? If you're so tired of it, tell Obama to ground the drones, stop killing women and children, close gitmo and mind your own business.....

    With your growing domestic mess, from home grown terrorism, to crime, to educational failures and the above cited 'wars', the USA is hardly the beacon of reason and source of effective problem solving. Your foreign policy of arming everyone with a freaking pulse CREATED this mess.


    its about time, your growing domestic failures are affecting the rest of the world and as your neighbor WE'RE tired of your gun culture and illegal weapons flowing north....deal with that then we'll talk about whether you have anything other than war to offer as a solution to the world's problems.
     
  2. moon

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    NeoZionists - and their bootlickers- spend so much time in an imaginary world of superiority that they have trouble accepting the reality of everybody else.

     
  3. skeptic-f

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    The premise of the OP is ludicrous because the United States is notoriously pro-Israeli. Every time we offer ourselves as an "honest broker" we are in fact doing nothing of the sort and such offers only serve to demean us in the eyes of the world and even in the eyes of the Israelis. Now, if we were to get together with a few other nations (in a similar mode to that dealing with North Korea), this would indicate a real interest in forcing a peaceful arrangement.
     
  4. Jack Napier

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    Lol.

    Yeah, okay then, it is all some coincidence.

    Good luck in achieving your impossible fantasy.

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    Sorry.

    No offence, but your position is the most naïve thing I have read on here in weeks.
     
  5. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Well, thank you for your opinion.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    If we cut off the money the Israelis will go on a rampage of killing Palestinians and the Palestinians will do the same to the Israelis. Remember, we are only talking about US money, both sides get lots more from other sources, like other countries for the Israelis and the Arab countries for the Palestinians, plus actual and quasi - "private" supporters. It might slow the Israelis down a little, at first, but in the end it would almost certainly make it worse by removing whatever small control our aid gives them now

    And in the meantime the rest of the world would suddenly be faced with how to live without oil. An interesting but most unpleasant prospect.
     
  7. Jack Napier

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    The Jewish occupation of Wall St and Washington is far more serious, dangerous, and accounts for more deaths, than the Jewish occupation of Gaza, of this there can be no doubt at all. For it is the former that permits the latter, without the former, the latter would no longer be, and the premise outlined in the OP could be easily done.

    If you live in the US or UK, and think waving a Palestine flag around, and peaceful wee protests are going to make a jot of difference, nice try, but sorry, think again, esp if, at the same time, you are unable to face up to, admit, and finally say 'My OWN country is occupied...by Zionist Jews'. Only when you do that do you have a HOPE in ending the occupation that exists in your own land, and only then can you dare even think of ending the occupation of Jews, in Gaza, and all the related horrors.

    Dulles said in 1957 that is was IMPOSSIBLE for Congress to do anything in that region that was not approved by Jews.
    It has gotten a whole lot worse since 1957.

    The OP does not want to understand that while his sentiment is fine, he will be blowing into the wind, unless he can admit to the above.

    It is the only way. face up to the fact..if you are American or British, your country is occupied, in the media, politics, and economy, by Jewry.

    Until that one fact is faced, all else is merely chit chat.
    Until the OP can see that this has never, for Jewry,been about this pissant strip of land they have just now, all else is merely chit chat.
     
  8. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    True, protesting and voting are both pretty inane activities, at least US-side. How is the Pirate Party doing in the UK? Our system wouldn't even allow for them to get anywhere near holding public office.
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    It is unlikely that Iran would be stupid enough to publicly declare it had developed a Nuke but if it did and then if the Iranian Religious Leadership was to use this for Nuclear Blackmail...the U.S. would take off the gloves.

    Unlike North Korea which is aware and does care about U.S. retaliation...some in Iran are just crazy enough to not care and if this was the case the United States would probably fly in thousands of Special Forces and Rangers after the U.S. Air Force and Space Command used Orbital Kinetic Impact weapons and Non-Nuclear EMP's to destroy all Iranian Nuclear Sites as well as render the Iranian Military inert.

    Such an attack would be a last resort and again I highly doubt it would come to that but if it did...Israel simply does not have the capability to take on Iran in any other manner other than Nuclear.

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  10. AboveAlpha

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    After any extended amount of time a person in a room under these conditions will do just about anything to get that music and strobing of lights to stop.

    AboveAlpha
     
  11. AboveAlpha

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    Oh Please!

    Nothing would make me more happy than not having to be asked to go do a...JOB...in this S#!% Hole area of the World and I can tell you that if the U.S. had not been involved in this region over the past 60 years the Sunni's and Shiites would have killed each other off and Israel and the Palestinians, Syrians and others would have killed one another down to a low level of population.

    Thinking these people can work things out other than by the way of Guns and Bombs is a JOKE!

    As far as U.S. influence in this region...it will remain as such until the OIL runs out.

    AboveAlpha
     
  12. DrewBedson

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    Just wondering Moon, why do you refer to 'Zionism' in your sig and then go on about 'NeoZionists' in your posts?
     
  13. big daryle

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    The jews are far more responsible for these problems than the Palestinians, it should be the jews who get 95% of the punishment.
     
  14. DrewBedson

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    Strange outlook when in reality the Palestinians declared war on the Jews and continue to call for the destruction of Israel in their official policy and the Israeli on the other hand call to live in peace with their neighbors in theirs.
     
  15. skeptic-f

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    You are about 3 decades out of date, DB. Trying looking at recent events rather than those of a generation ago.
     
  16. FearandLoathing

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    So why is that any concern of Americans?

    Who appointed you world policeman?

    And if you're going to play the role, interfere in the lives of foreigners around the globe forcing some distorted idea of "freedom" down the throats of barbaric morons, stop (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about it. Stop promoting FORCED PEACE as this idiotic thread suggests.

    For the record the Sunnis and the Shiites have been living together for a few more centuries than the US has existed. Based on the successes of US foreign policy generally and especially in the last few years I suspect the ME would be greatly improved if the US simply went home. I mean, FFS, you guys CREATED the Taliban.
     
  17. AboveAlpha

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    Both sides are equally responsible.

    Look...Israel has been attacked many times by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, the PLO, Islamic Jihad...etc.

    When Nasser along with other Arab states tried to invade and destroy Israel...the Arab and Egyptian Military's had their Asses Handed to Them...several times.

    As well Hamas, Hezbollah...etc...have used Gaza and Lebanon as staging areas for attacks upon Israel and Israel has A VERY GOOD POINT in that before it gives back land and stops building settlements it wants promises that it's security issues are addressed as well that some states and groups accept the state of Israel.

    Now I can tell you if any group of Nations or any groups such as Hamas and the like tried to do to the United States what they have tried and done to Israel....the United States Military would have gone in and OBLITERATED such nations or groups with EXTREME PREJUDICE.

    There would be no PEACE AGREEMENTS. There would be ZERO CONSIDERATION for any nation that such groups might launch attacks from such as Lebanon. And there certainly would not be any LAND FOR PEACE considerations in some Peace accord.

    The United States once attacked in the manner Israel has been attacked over the years...would send in it's Military and utterly DESTROY those who attacked the United States.

    There would not be a need for some future Peace Agreement with the Nations or Groups that had attacked the United States because.....such Nations and Groups....WOULD NO LONGER EXIST!

    So one can say what they want about Israel and it's Security demands but if the shoe was on the other foot and if it was the United States in Israel's position...I can tell you that the only...JOB...I would be sent on in such a case would be one to count the number of DEAD BODIES....if we could find any in the ashes remaining...of were for a short time those who dared attack the United States.

    AboveAlpha
     
  18. moon

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    It's a fact that Israel has initiated every one of its wars except the Yom Kippur War of 1973. Hamas, Hizb'Allah and the PLO are/were resistance organisations.
     
  19. DrewBedson

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    i see. So the problems only started when you say they started and everything was pure heaven until that point. :roflol:

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    What did they do to initiate the 1948 war with the Arab League?
     
  20. AboveAlpha

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    Again...I would prefer to not have to be involved in such things.

    The reality is the United States is a Hyperpower. This word has been assigned to the U.S. by China and Russia as they feel the word Superpower no longer is a strong enough word.

    Because of the fact that the U.S. Economy is not only the worlds largest but as well many countries entire economies depend upon the sales of imports to the United States...as is the case with China as it has been determined that if the U.S. stopped purchasing imported goods from China...the Chinese economy would collapse within a WEEK....since the U.S. Economy and U.S. purchases of Imported Goods from many many countries is VITAL to the economies of almost every country on Earth...as well as the fact the U.S. Military and Navy maintains the safety of the entire worlds Ocean Trade Routes...as well U.S. Aid in the form of Food, Fresh Water, Medicine and Medical Supplies keeps alive over 2 Billion People around the globe...as well just about EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT of products specific to ECONOMIC ENGINES...which are necessary to create economic growth on a Global Scale have been developed and created and marketed from the United States and U.S. Based Companies.

    Such Economic Engines are the INTERNET, PERSONAL COMPUTERS, CELL PHONES AND THEIR NETWORKS, COMPUTER SOFTWARE, MICROSOFT OPERATING SYSTEMS, INTERNET SEARCH ENGINES, WINDOWS AND APPLE CREATED SYSTEMS, MULTIMEDIA ENTERTAINMENT, SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY AND SATELLITE BASED COMMUNICATION...ETC....the list goes on and on.

    If for some reason the U.S. and U.S. Military were to vanish...the entire WORLD would spiral into a total state of CHAOS in short order.

    We have been doing the job of World Policeman and doing the job of Economic Engine Creator for so long that even if other countries found themselves without the United States...they wouldn't know what to do or where to begin to fill our role.

    Case in point...after the collapse of the Soviet Union...Russia under Yeltsin notified the U.S. State Department that an issue that if not handles would result in Nuclear Proliferation as well as the possibility of Reactor Meltdowns and Radioactive Weapons leakage and Neutron Damage.

    Because the Soviet Union split up...Soviet Nuclear Stockpiles were now spread out over many now independent Nations that were not a part of the New Russia. Tens of Thousands of Nuclear Warheads designed as Gravity Bombs, Artillery Shells, MIRVED Missiles, Suitcase Bombs...etc...were no longer considered Security Safe and since the Russians did not have the money to deal with this issue as well countries like the Ukraine and the like REFUSED to deal with Russia as they wanted MONEY if the Russians wanted these Nukes back.

    As well Nuclear Reactor Fuel and spent Fuel Rods were starting to build up at reactor sites and Nuclear Warheads must be MAINTAINED as their Nuclear Fueled Cores will degrade as Neutrons decay from such fuel.

    The United States...the ONLY country with both the expertise and money to handle this problem as well as the only country that other Nations such as the Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan would trust to receive Nuclear Weapons...detailed LINK...http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/91-144.htm

    If not for the United States Military and DOE personal going to these former Soviet States and dismantling and destroying these tens of thousands of Nuclear Weapons...I am certain that if this had not been done a terrorist group would have by now detonated Nuclear Weapons in several areas of the World.

    Now there is NO OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH...that has either the capability, experienced personal, military capability, logistical capability, money or TRUST given to it by even FORMER SOVIET STATES to do the right thing in DESTROYING ALL THESE WEAPONS AND DELIVERY SYSTEMS rather than keeping them or selling them.

    Even our former adversary the Russians...had total trust and confidence that the United States would properly destroy these Nuclear Weapons and Delivery Systems as when Boris Yeltsin was asked if he was worried about if the American's might keep these Nuclear Weapons and Delivery Systems and this question was asked specifically about Soviet SLBM's....Sub Launched Ballistic Missiles...Yeltsin said...Why should we worry about that? The Americans have thousands upon thousands of their own Nuclear Weapons and why would the United States want to keep our Inferior Nuclear MIRVED SLBM's when they have the Trident Systems aboard their Ohio Class subs and have sold the Trident System's to the British who have Trident in their Vanguard Class Subs?

    Yeltsin went on to say...Russia is broke and we cannot afford to pay these countries for these Soviet Era Nuclear Weapons that are now existing no longer in the Soviet Union but in independent Nations. These Nations have agreed to allow the Americans to remove and destroy them so let the Americans pay these countries. Russia accepts, condones and agrees that it is an absolute necessity that these Nuclear Weapons and their delivery systems are properly destroyed and their Nuclear Material properly and safely removed, monitored and documented for use in Nuclear Power Generation.

    Since Russia cannot afford to do this there is but only ONE other country capable of providing the money and manpower and expertise to undertake such a massive and complex project. That would be the United States.

    AboveAlpha
     
  21. FearandLoathing

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    OK. Keep killing then.
     
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    If you think I am the BAD GUY...you are sorely mistaken.

    You and others talk about some of these groups and nations and their leadership and agents as if they were some poor misunderstood victims of U.S. Power and U.S. Policy and that they are just going about their business when all of a sudden the Big Bad Americans come and dictate to them what they must do or die.

    These Freekin' People I have to deal with are all MURDEROUS THUGS and MASTER MANIPULATORS of the World Media, Public Opinion and their OWN PEOPLE.

    In the Middle East such corrupt leadership tends to be labeled as a Islamic Governmental Vanguard against the Infidels and Zionists.

    Or such people are Orthodox Religious Groups that control the votes of millions of Israeli's as they manipulate the media by refusing to leave Settlements set by agreement for destruction as TV camera's broadcast the Israeli Military using FORCE as soldiers drag Orthodox Jews from buildings as these Jews pray and scream to the camera's that GOD will not forgive these soldiers for going against GODS WILL.

    What I find to be SICKENING is how the Religious Zealots on both sides use RELIGION to MANIPULATE people and especially manipulate the youth of such nations.

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    You had expressed your doubts, citing the case of Chi Mak, about the loyalty of Chinese Americans in your old postings.

    Precisely there are people like you who doubt the loyalty of Chinese Americans that some of them do not feel secure in America and have to emphasise publicly to a laughable degree that they are more American than the white Americans.

    I had watched one Chinese American (whom I jokingly nickname Mak Chi) from the Heritage Foundation emphasising his true Americanness in a television interview by saying: "If I were a Chinese..." This is quite laughable. It's akin to a gander that lives among turkeys trying to show that it is more turkey than a turkey by saying: "If I were a gander....."

    If there were problems of dual loyalty among immigrants in America, the US has to take a large part of the blame. It gives asylum to dissidents and separatists from other countries, particularly Russia and China. Rather than encouraging them to leave their hearts forever in America and sever their ties totally with their countries of origin, Uncle Sam encourages them to leave their hearts in their original homelands so that they can continue with their sabotaging and separatist activities from their temporary bases in the US.
     
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    So then it's torture.

    My question is why though. What is it you need them to do for you?
     

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