Poll worker charged with voting half dozen times in November

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Right on it with a parallel to your assertion so how about it, if requiring an ID to vote restricts some unsubstantiated right how about requiring one for a specifically iterated one? Shouldn't we rescind all requirements to identify yourself to purchase a firearm since having to do so is a burden on the poor and those without an ID?
     
  2. RichT2705

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    I think in light of this thread we can remove the word "alleged" in that HuffPo staement above, dont you? It's fact now, not allegation...like this made up segment of 10s of millions who somehow get through everyday life without an ID...

    The reality of voter fraud is exampled right in this thread. It's happening just as many said it was.
     
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    No, voter fraud, while it exists, is too minor for the suggested fixes.

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    see my reply to rich
     
  4. RichT2705

    RichT2705 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, we're going to disagree. Noone has the exact numbers of fraudulent votes. You say it's minor...I can say it was 1 million. Neither can prove the other wrong.

    The one thing we DO know for a certainty is that it is happening and our elections are compromised. Unless this is to your liking, i don't know why anyone would balk at steps like an ID...which pretty much everyone has anyway.
     
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    FYI
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

    The notion that voter fraud is an issue is a myth.
     
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    Really, what does your vote matter when the person you vote for wins the popular vote but loses the electoral vote? Or, when voting for a senator, your votes counts for 1/116th of a vote in a small state? Or, when your party has been gerrymandered into one district so that the opposition party can win four districts?
     
  7. RichT2705

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    Your snopes link doesnt invaldate this thread in which fraud is proven to be fact, by admission of the guilty party themselves. How you could still try and claim it's a Myth, and not be concerned about it is boggling. Perhaps you like it that way because your guy won...heck perhaps you threw a half dozen ballots as well yourself?
     
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    Yeah right. It exists but it is too minor to fret about. Sorry your party lost the election.
     
  9. RichT2705

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    Your opinion of course, to which you are entitled. I disagree. To see one side fighting against something as trivial as presenting ID...which everyone has for all kinds of purposes in life already...tells me there might be alot more of it going on that you would think.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Ok now respond to me

    f requiring an ID to vote restricts some unsubstantiated right how about requiring one for a specifically iterated one? Shouldn't we rescind all requirements to identify yourself to purchase a firearm since having to do so is a burden on the poor and those without an ID?
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    How would you know? How do you catch someone voting under someone else name? How do you catch someone registering false names and then voting under them?

    We have no system in place other than voter ID to do so. Why would you allow people to do such things?
     
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    There have been studies on this issue, never have they found it to be crucial.

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    That is still conjecture on your part.
     
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    I don't care if states ask for id, but to create a whole new process would be ridiculous. In addition, all one has to do is take a picture of the person voting. If there is any discrepency, all the id necessary to confirm is there.
     
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    Of course, but it is backed by the factual admission of someone who did it. Real trumps studies everytime.
     
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    Yeah right
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-a-massive-anti-democratic-deception/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud
    Despite many instances of electoral fraud internationally, in the U.S. a major study by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007[2] showed of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for voter fraud – and of those few cases, most involved persons who were simply unaware of their ineligibility.

    Yeah real studies are here and they point to no big thing.
     
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    The tally of those caught and convicted is nice...but certainly not to be considered conclusive as to the rates of any crime. Many will never be caught. There is nothing that you can link that will make me as "no big deal" as you are when it comes to our elections being tainted. I expect every effort to be made to make this as honest and accurate as it can be.
     
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    How many? You tell us. Do you have a number from any credible source of are you going to pull a number out of a metaphysical bag?
     
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    This hardly constitutes a massive scheme. Marine you're WAY smarter than this. You know for a fact that ID won't stop voter fraud commited by election officials, and poll workers. Which is btw where nearly all election fraud is commited.
    ID stops impersonation fraud only, a type of fraud that is the least efficient an least commited form of election fraud.
    ID also stops certain demographic from voting, which suggests that the cure is far worse than the disease.

    Btw, Watergate would serve as a good example of massive election tampering. That would be a good example of trying to sway an entire election. You didn't see any of those guys wasting their time trying to vote twice.
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    Yeah and how did they measure it? How did they determine which votes cast were illegal and fraudulent? Did they report the names of the people who illegally voted? Did they investigate all the close voting precincts or just make up a number in toto?
     
  20. Bluesguy

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    Great then let's do it nationwide in every polling place.

    We don't need a "whole new process" as the states that require which is almost 40 of them last count know how to do it and just as you show ID to gain access to other government process.

    How? Confirm it to what?
     
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    No, it's hundreds of thousands or more. They haven't been caught. Your sarcastic attempt to minimize this organized fraud is a non-starter. In fact, it's an insult to our intelligence.
     
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    It doesn't have to be massive to swing an election. And how much voter fraud is OK? How many times does a person get to vote before we should be concerned?

    Watergate had nothing to do with "election tampering". But that you felt you had to find an example of Republians and assert it was must mean you are trying to defend all the Democrat cases of vote and election tampering. That you had to go back 50 years is quite telling.
     
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    We'll see. If it's true, she's a fool.
     
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    Of course it's a big deal. But you don't disenfranchise thousands of rightful voters for the act of 1.
     
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    No, he's really not. Nice dodge.
     

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